1 00:00:05,599 --> 00:00:02,060 today on the show content creator 2 00:00:07,789 --> 00:00:05,609 podcast host and animator sapphire send 3 00:00:10,580 --> 00:00:07,799 allo it's sort of is like a chicken or 4 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:10,590 the egg situation because spirits can 5 00:00:15,829 --> 00:00:13,530 drain you if you are living in a haunted 6 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:15,839 home you may become depressed and 7 00:00:20,900 --> 00:00:17,970 anxious and just physically and mentally 8 00:00:23,540 --> 00:00:20,910 drained but then on the other hand if 9 00:00:26,240 --> 00:00:23,550 you are already in a dark place for 10 00:00:28,849 --> 00:00:26,250 whatever reason that can also draw the 11 00:00:42,940 --> 00:00:28,859 spirits in so it's sort of it goes both 12 00:00:58,020 --> 00:00:42,950 ways this is somewhere in the skies 13 00:01:01,799 --> 00:00:59,369 could you tell us a little about 14 00:01:04,140 --> 00:01:01,809 yourself how you first got interested in 15 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:04,150 the paranormal the supernatural yeah 16 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:07,450 give us that that origin story so when I 17 00:01:12,359 --> 00:01:10,210 was younger my grandpa used to tell me 18 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:12,369 these really amazing stories of when he 19 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:14,170 lived in the Philippines and there 20 00:01:19,580 --> 00:01:16,690 actually is a couple tapes that I have 21 00:01:21,660 --> 00:01:19,590 of him where he's telling these stories 22 00:01:24,270 --> 00:01:21,670 and that was sort of my first 23 00:01:26,910 --> 00:01:24,280 introduction to not only Filipino 24 00:01:29,730 --> 00:01:26,920 folklore but the paranormal in general 25 00:01:32,810 --> 00:01:29,740 and ever since then I became hooked 26 00:01:35,999 --> 00:01:32,820 because I was like well if my grandpa 27 00:01:38,279 --> 00:01:36,009 saw these monsters and sees ghosts and 28 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:38,289 spirits then they must be true right and 29 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:41,050 then I later found out that everyone 30 00:01:45,899 --> 00:01:43,690 else in my family also had an amazing 31 00:01:48,870 --> 00:01:45,909 paranormal story and it sort of just 32 00:01:51,809 --> 00:01:48,880 snowballed from there I like as a kid I 33 00:01:55,139 --> 00:01:51,819 was actually an incredible scaredy-cat 34 00:01:59,850 --> 00:01:55,149 but I still loved ghost stories and yeah 35 00:02:03,359 --> 00:01:59,860 so I when I went to school I studied 36 00:02:06,690 --> 00:02:03,369 animation and then when I pitched my 37 00:02:09,030 --> 00:02:06,700 first paranormal show on YouTube I 38 00:02:11,250 --> 00:02:09,040 combined my love of animation and ghost 39 00:02:11,850 --> 00:02:11,260 stories and then that's that's how it 40 00:02:13,650 --> 00:02:11,860 all started 41 00:02:16,350 --> 00:02:13,660 yeah I kind of want to touch on that 42 00:02:18,449 --> 00:02:16,360 before we get to stories with Safire the 43 00:02:20,970 --> 00:02:18,459 podcast your animation career you're a 44 00:02:22,650 --> 00:02:20,980 professor as well can you tell us a 45 00:02:25,530 --> 00:02:22,660 little about sort of that journey and 46 00:02:27,390 --> 00:02:25,540 how you got involved with animation yeah 47 00:02:30,750 --> 00:02:27,400 I've always been a visual artist I 48 00:02:33,270 --> 00:02:30,760 always drew as a kid so when I went to 49 00:02:35,190 --> 00:02:33,280 college I decided to major in animation 50 00:02:38,009 --> 00:02:35,200 because it felt like it combined 51 00:02:41,130 --> 00:02:38,019 everything that I loved like I loved 52 00:02:44,130 --> 00:02:41,140 visual storytelling and filmmaking and 53 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:44,140 music and animation felt like it was 54 00:02:49,650 --> 00:02:45,970 just like the right combination of 55 00:02:52,550 --> 00:02:49,660 everything and so after I graduated took 56 00:02:54,870 --> 00:02:52,560 a couple years but I finally was able to 57 00:02:56,490 --> 00:02:54,880 become a freelance animator and 58 00:02:59,840 --> 00:02:56,500 character designer in the animation 59 00:03:03,030 --> 00:02:59,850 industry so I've worked on really random 60 00:03:04,690 --> 00:03:03,040 adult comedy series that I'm sure you've 61 00:03:07,990 --> 00:03:04,700 never watched 62 00:03:11,589 --> 00:03:08,000 and then a couple years after that is 63 00:03:13,509 --> 00:03:11,599 when I was I met this girl who started a 64 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:13,519 YouTube channel with this company and 65 00:03:18,130 --> 00:03:15,530 they were looking for female animators 66 00:03:20,500 --> 00:03:18,140 to pitch shows and so I pitched this 67 00:03:22,030 --> 00:03:20,510 idea that I had eventually it was called 68 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:22,040 something scary but it was an idea that 69 00:03:25,540 --> 00:03:25,130 I had for years where I would tell ghost 70 00:03:30,370 --> 00:03:25,550 stories 71 00:03:33,370 --> 00:03:30,380 add a little bit of animation to it yes 72 00:03:35,650 --> 00:03:33,380 I mean in terms of the animation how is 73 00:03:37,270 --> 00:03:35,660 it one of these what came first the 74 00:03:39,460 --> 00:03:37,280 chicken or the egg do you like would you 75 00:03:41,470 --> 00:03:39,470 get the story or write the story and 76 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:41,480 then animate it or how does that process 77 00:03:46,210 --> 00:03:43,250 work when you're dealing with either 78 00:03:49,509 --> 00:03:46,220 like pre-existing material or yeah yeah 79 00:03:51,910 --> 00:03:49,519 how does that all work as an artist so 80 00:03:53,949 --> 00:03:51,920 for all types of filmmaking the story 81 00:03:56,530 --> 00:03:53,959 always comes first and then you add the 82 00:03:58,210 --> 00:03:56,540 visual element to it after otherwise you 83 00:04:01,080 --> 00:03:58,220 know you're you're gonna be doing a lot 84 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:01,090 of extra drawings that you don't need so 85 00:04:05,890 --> 00:04:04,010 the first handful of episodes of 86 00:04:08,020 --> 00:04:05,900 something scary we're all just from my 87 00:04:10,420 --> 00:04:08,030 friends and family and so I just used 88 00:04:14,559 --> 00:04:10,430 that as the framework of the show and 89 00:04:16,150 --> 00:04:14,569 then added little animations to it it's 90 00:04:20,140 --> 00:04:16,160 actually kind of funny because the 91 00:04:22,180 --> 00:04:20,150 animation style of the show came about 92 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:22,190 because I was trying to figure out a way 93 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:24,770 where I could easily make these every 94 00:04:28,990 --> 00:04:26,690 week and not burn out so quickly but 95 00:04:31,270 --> 00:04:29,000 then it sort of became the style of the 96 00:04:34,330 --> 00:04:31,280 show so I stuck with it in terms of that 97 00:04:37,210 --> 00:04:34,340 stories with sapphire how did this come 98 00:04:39,730 --> 00:04:37,220 about and what did you what did you set 99 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:39,740 out to do with this project so I 100 00:04:45,210 --> 00:04:42,050 actually left the company that owned 101 00:04:49,210 --> 00:04:45,220 something scary back in October I I 102 00:04:50,589 --> 00:04:49,220 didn't own any of the content and I just 103 00:04:52,300 --> 00:04:50,599 felt it was easier for me to leave 104 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:52,310 instead of try to work out a new 105 00:04:56,020 --> 00:04:54,410 contract with them because I tried to do 106 00:04:57,100 --> 00:04:56,030 that and it didn't work out well so I 107 00:05:01,600 --> 00:04:57,110 was like you know what I'm just gonna 108 00:05:04,570 --> 00:05:01,610 leave the show and see what I had on 109 00:05:07,270 --> 00:05:04,580 what I feel like doing and to be 110 00:05:09,670 --> 00:05:07,280 completely honest I was working on my 111 00:05:11,350 --> 00:05:09,680 old show for like almost three years and 112 00:05:14,110 --> 00:05:11,360 for a good chunk of that time it was 113 00:05:16,159 --> 00:05:14,120 just me I did everything and it really 114 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:16,169 burned me out really fast 115 00:05:20,269 --> 00:05:18,090 and it kind of made me hate those 116 00:05:23,809 --> 00:05:20,279 stories and it just made me think like 117 00:05:27,619 --> 00:05:23,819 it made me pause because I was like hang 118 00:05:30,050 --> 00:05:27,629 on a second this thing like I I love 119 00:05:32,330 --> 00:05:30,060 ghost stories and now all of a sudden I 120 00:05:34,010 --> 00:05:32,340 don't want to read any of these I don't 121 00:05:36,230 --> 00:05:34,020 want to think about it like something's 122 00:05:39,050 --> 00:05:36,240 wrong here so I need to step back from 123 00:05:42,559 --> 00:05:39,060 it a little bit and so after I quit my 124 00:05:45,649 --> 00:05:42,569 job I really dived deep into learning 125 00:05:48,950 --> 00:05:45,659 more about Filipino folklore Filipino 126 00:05:53,629 --> 00:05:48,960 mythology and history and it was in this 127 00:05:56,869 --> 00:05:53,639 research that I realized that I I really 128 00:05:59,269 --> 00:05:56,879 have this passion for sharing these 129 00:06:01,369 --> 00:05:59,279 stories like it's it's always been 130 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:01,379 something that's been on my mind even 131 00:06:06,369 --> 00:06:04,050 when I was a kid I was aware that 132 00:06:09,379 --> 00:06:06,379 Filipinos weren't in the media but I 133 00:06:11,570 --> 00:06:09,389 never really thought that much of it so 134 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:11,580 diversity is something that's always 135 00:06:15,369 --> 00:06:13,770 been very important to me I know it's 136 00:06:18,079 --> 00:06:15,379 like such a buzzword right now but 137 00:06:19,850 --> 00:06:18,089 actually that's what my college courses 138 00:06:22,610 --> 00:06:19,860 that I teach its diversity and 139 00:06:25,519 --> 00:06:22,620 representation in media I am a Filipino 140 00:06:27,879 --> 00:06:25,529 American woman and the lack of Filipino 141 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:27,889 American representation in Armenia is 142 00:06:36,100 --> 00:06:32,490 very you know clear to me and so after I 143 00:06:38,829 --> 00:06:36,110 quit my job I started diving deep into 144 00:06:41,209 --> 00:06:38,839 Filipino folklore mythology and history 145 00:06:43,909 --> 00:06:41,219 because you know it was something that I 146 00:06:47,179 --> 00:06:43,919 had always been interested in and known 147 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:47,189 enough about but I finally had this time 148 00:06:53,450 --> 00:06:50,610 to really dive deep into it also because 149 00:06:55,369 --> 00:06:53,460 I was trying to write a TV pitch for an 150 00:06:58,010 --> 00:06:55,379 animated horror TV show and so I wanted 151 00:07:00,920 --> 00:06:58,020 to do the research and while I was doing 152 00:07:03,499 --> 00:07:00,930 this research it hit me that you know 153 00:07:06,379 --> 00:07:03,509 maybe I should really focus on sharing 154 00:07:08,869 --> 00:07:06,389 these types of stories and Filipino 155 00:07:12,110 --> 00:07:08,879 history because there's so much that I 156 00:07:14,300 --> 00:07:12,120 learned within the past year that I'm 157 00:07:16,429 --> 00:07:14,310 sure so many other Filipino Americans 158 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:16,439 don't know about either and it made me 159 00:07:22,909 --> 00:07:19,050 realize like okay maybe this is my my 160 00:07:25,790 --> 00:07:22,919 new calling and so and even with 161 00:07:27,469 --> 00:07:25,800 something scary I included so many 162 00:07:29,900 --> 00:07:27,479 Filipino characters and stories and 163 00:07:33,590 --> 00:07:29,910 Asian characters in general just because 164 00:07:36,020 --> 00:07:33,600 that's always my default because I am so 165 00:07:37,610 --> 00:07:36,030 aware when I'm watching shows where like 166 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:37,620 I mean white people are kind of the 167 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:39,090 default and so I tried to do the 168 00:07:44,390 --> 00:07:42,450 opposite of that yeah but then now with 169 00:07:46,340 --> 00:07:44,400 stories of Sapphire I'm really making it 170 00:07:48,500 --> 00:07:46,350 like the forefront like this is a very 171 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:48,510 Filipino show like there's a couple 172 00:07:51,710 --> 00:07:49,890 episodes where I don't talk about 173 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:51,720 Filipino stuff for the most part it's 174 00:07:57,590 --> 00:07:55,170 very Filipino and when I started stories 175 00:08:01,130 --> 00:07:57,600 with Sapphire I knew that I wanted to 176 00:08:03,650 --> 00:08:01,140 really focus on Filipino stories and 177 00:08:05,990 --> 00:08:03,660 culture and history not only just 178 00:08:07,700 --> 00:08:06,000 because I think that the world needs to 179 00:08:10,370 --> 00:08:07,710 hear these stories but also for me 180 00:08:13,700 --> 00:08:10,380 because I'm learning about this too and 181 00:08:16,700 --> 00:08:13,710 so for me stories with Sapphire is sort 182 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:16,710 of this real-time documentation of my 183 00:08:22,220 --> 00:08:19,770 own new spiritual journey like I have 184 00:08:25,910 --> 00:08:22,230 spoken with Filipino healers and people 185 00:08:28,820 --> 00:08:25,920 who Filipino mediums and I'm learning so 186 00:08:31,370 --> 00:08:28,830 much about Filipino culture and I'm 187 00:08:33,860 --> 00:08:31,380 having a blast it's so good to hear that 188 00:08:36,620 --> 00:08:33,870 you know in producing something like a 189 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:36,630 podcast that there's always room to 190 00:08:41,420 --> 00:08:38,250 learn I mean I'm about a hundred and 191 00:08:45,860 --> 00:08:41,430 fifty or so episodes in myself and now I 192 00:08:49,910 --> 00:08:45,870 I feel like it's not even about the show 193 00:08:52,250 --> 00:08:49,920 or or my end of it it's the stories I'm 194 00:08:55,370 --> 00:08:52,260 hearing and the lessons I'm learning and 195 00:08:57,890 --> 00:08:55,380 you know for better or worse it's it's 196 00:09:01,820 --> 00:08:57,900 it helps you it helps you with your own 197 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:01,830 life and it's a lot more of a I guess a 198 00:09:06,860 --> 00:09:04,050 selfish endeavor when I really think 199 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:06,870 about it which isn't a bad thing I mean 200 00:09:11,990 --> 00:09:08,970 I think we're all into these these 201 00:09:14,510 --> 00:09:12,000 topics of the unknown or the paranormal 202 00:09:16,910 --> 00:09:14,520 or UFOs because we want answers for 203 00:09:19,490 --> 00:09:16,920 ourself first and quarterly you know in 204 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:19,500 terms of our own journey so um yeah it's 205 00:09:24,260 --> 00:09:21,330 good to hear that that you're finding 206 00:09:27,590 --> 00:09:24,270 that as well and when you mentioned the 207 00:09:29,090 --> 00:09:27,600 the stories of your grandfather this 208 00:09:31,670 --> 00:09:29,100 this really caught my attention in your 209 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:31,680 first episode it was the story of the 210 00:09:37,490 --> 00:09:34,530 the Menehune now my girlfriend is born 211 00:09:39,650 --> 00:09:37,500 and raised on Oahu so I've become pretty 212 00:09:41,930 --> 00:09:39,660 accustomed they look to the legends as 213 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:41,940 an outsider but I was wondering could 214 00:09:46,730 --> 00:09:43,410 you maybe talk a little 215 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:46,740 this local legend of Hawaii which isn't 216 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:49,170 even you know a Filipino legend but it 217 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:50,730 might correct your grandparents move to 218 00:09:54,950 --> 00:09:51,330 Hawaii 219 00:09:57,050 --> 00:09:54,960 yes so my yeah so this is my mom's dad 220 00:09:59,720 --> 00:09:57,060 and mom 221 00:10:01,900 --> 00:09:59,730 the first Hawaii was the first state 222 00:10:05,660 --> 00:10:01,910 that they moved to from the Philippines 223 00:10:08,750 --> 00:10:05,670 and so the Menehune are thought to be 224 00:10:12,560 --> 00:10:08,760 this invisible race of small statured 225 00:10:16,070 --> 00:10:12,570 magical people living in Hawaii and not 226 00:10:19,130 --> 00:10:16,080 everybody can see them but they're the 227 00:10:23,060 --> 00:10:19,140 thoughts to just be existing alongside 228 00:10:27,110 --> 00:10:23,070 people on the islands and so um so my 229 00:10:29,180 --> 00:10:27,120 mom she has three other siblings and so 230 00:10:31,220 --> 00:10:29,190 it was my mom and her parents and then 231 00:10:33,140 --> 00:10:31,230 her siblings living there in Hawaii and 232 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:33,150 there was one day where her youngest 233 00:10:39,260 --> 00:10:36,210 brother just disappeared for hours 234 00:10:42,050 --> 00:10:39,270 nobody knew where he was he was maybe 235 00:10:44,030 --> 00:10:42,060 three years old I think and when they 236 00:10:46,010 --> 00:10:44,040 finally found him because he just like 237 00:10:48,500 --> 00:10:46,020 walked back to walked back up to the 238 00:10:51,380 --> 00:10:48,510 house and they were like where were you 239 00:10:55,450 --> 00:10:51,390 for the last couple of hours and he said 240 00:10:58,790 --> 00:10:55,460 I was playing with the little people and 241 00:11:00,770 --> 00:10:58,800 this is like this is a story that has 242 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:00,780 passed down in our family lore just 243 00:11:06,620 --> 00:11:04,290 because it's so ridiculous but since my 244 00:11:09,350 --> 00:11:06,630 family already believed in the Menehune 245 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:09,360 they were like whoa that's probably who 246 00:11:14,930 --> 00:11:11,490 he was with and he doesn't remember this 247 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:14,940 at all he was way too young but there 248 00:11:21,560 --> 00:11:18,090 the other moment in their lives where 249 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:21,570 they had I get like more evidence that 250 00:11:26,870 --> 00:11:24,210 these people exist was when they were 251 00:11:29,930 --> 00:11:26,880 recon creating recon creating is that a 252 00:11:33,830 --> 00:11:29,940 word with her looks yeah yeah they were 253 00:11:35,870 --> 00:11:33,840 recon treating steps in front of their 254 00:11:37,790 --> 00:11:35,880 house and so it was wet cement and so 255 00:11:39,950 --> 00:11:37,800 they blocked it off and my grandpa told 256 00:11:42,110 --> 00:11:39,960 everybody don't step on these steps or 257 00:11:44,810 --> 00:11:42,120 I'm gonna get real mad and then the 258 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:44,820 following morning he goes sees the steps 259 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:46,650 and there's a tiny little footprint and 260 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:49,170 he's super super pissed but then when he 261 00:11:53,690 --> 00:11:50,970 looks at it a little bit more carefully 262 00:11:55,190 --> 00:11:53,700 he realizes that the foot doesn't really 263 00:11:56,260 --> 00:11:55,200 seem like it would match one of his 264 00:11:59,050 --> 00:11:56,270 children's feet 265 00:12:01,780 --> 00:11:59,060 because the proportions are it was a 266 00:12:04,420 --> 00:12:01,790 small footprint but the proportions were 267 00:12:06,190 --> 00:12:04,430 that of an adults and so that didn't 268 00:12:08,230 --> 00:12:06,200 make any sense to him and he also 269 00:12:11,410 --> 00:12:08,240 noticed this little line above the big 270 00:12:13,780 --> 00:12:11,420 toe as if the big toenail was curling in 271 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:13,790 was really long and curling downward and 272 00:12:19,510 --> 00:12:17,330 so to him he thought that that was maybe 273 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:19,520 a Menehune who steps on the cement 274 00:12:26,340 --> 00:12:22,490 realized that they had made this mark 275 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:26,350 and then ran away Wow interesting yeah 276 00:12:32,830 --> 00:12:31,010 these stories are so captivating I think 277 00:12:35,590 --> 00:12:32,840 an almost endearing because when you 278 00:12:38,350 --> 00:12:35,600 think of like these little creatures of 279 00:12:40,030 --> 00:12:38,360 some sort own and the mischief they sort 280 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:40,040 of get up to I remember even like in the 281 00:12:45,010 --> 00:12:42,650 airport all the under construction signs 282 00:12:47,170 --> 00:12:45,020 have like little Menehune all over you 283 00:12:50,290 --> 00:12:47,180 know with a little hammer and everything 284 00:12:53,110 --> 00:12:50,300 so that it's it's amazing how folklore 285 00:12:56,230 --> 00:12:53,120 continues to I guess you know influence 286 00:12:58,450 --> 00:12:56,240 the culture even today and I know this 287 00:13:00,760 --> 00:12:58,460 is huge in the in the stories you tell 288 00:13:02,710 --> 00:13:00,770 in your show - and another thing in your 289 00:13:06,490 --> 00:13:02,720 your first episode that really caught my 290 00:13:08,530 --> 00:13:06,500 attention was the Aslan and yes I had 291 00:13:10,270 --> 00:13:08,540 never really heard this term before so I 292 00:13:12,220 --> 00:13:10,280 was wondering yeah could you tell us a 293 00:13:13,420 --> 00:13:12,230 little about this sort of I guess you 294 00:13:16,750 --> 00:13:13,430 would say it's like kind of like an 295 00:13:20,170 --> 00:13:16,760 all-encompassing folklore elmo's yeah so 296 00:13:23,700 --> 00:13:20,180 the Aslan is sorta or the term Aslan is 297 00:13:26,260 --> 00:13:23,710 kind of an umbrella term for 298 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:26,270 shape-shifting demon so there's a couple 299 00:13:32,140 --> 00:13:28,850 different types of Aswan one other type 300 00:13:34,900 --> 00:13:32,150 is the mana dongle so its shape-shifting 301 00:13:36,340 --> 00:13:34,910 because it appears as a woman during the 302 00:13:38,710 --> 00:13:36,350 day and then at night she has the 303 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:38,720 ability to separate her upper body from 304 00:13:42,790 --> 00:13:40,730 the rest of her body and she grows wings 305 00:13:45,850 --> 00:13:42,800 as she flies around and she searches for 306 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:45,860 like unborn baby fetuses to eat and then 307 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:48,050 she reconnects with the bottom half of 308 00:13:52,810 --> 00:13:50,450 her body so that's one type of a song 309 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:52,820 but basically the main features of an 310 00:13:55,210 --> 00:13:54,530 aswan is that they have the ability to 311 00:13:58,120 --> 00:13:55,220 shape-shift 312 00:14:01,090 --> 00:13:58,130 so in general ah swans are one of the 313 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:01,100 most feared creatures in the Philippines 314 00:14:07,210 --> 00:14:04,730 one reason why is because they so easily 315 00:14:08,890 --> 00:14:07,220 blend in with the population because 316 00:14:09,700 --> 00:14:08,900 during the day they appear as a normal 317 00:14:11,500 --> 00:14:09,710 human being 318 00:14:14,380 --> 00:14:11,510 and then at night is when they go 319 00:14:16,450 --> 00:14:14,390 hunting for flesh and so you never 320 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:16,460 really know if your neighbor or your 321 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:18,170 family member is an awesome on and 322 00:14:20,470 --> 00:14:19,730 that's like people are freaked out by it 323 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:20,480 Wow 324 00:14:29,020 --> 00:14:25,010 it sort of to me compares to these 325 00:14:32,650 --> 00:14:29,030 theories in the UFO / alien I guess 326 00:14:35,530 --> 00:14:32,660 abduction lore of these hybrids almost 327 00:14:37,390 --> 00:14:35,540 of a alien and human you know going 328 00:14:39,820 --> 00:14:37,400 through everyday life and we would never 329 00:14:46,870 --> 00:14:39,830 know you know that they were actually 330 00:14:49,420 --> 00:14:46,880 half alien so yeah it's a for sure yeah 331 00:14:52,390 --> 00:14:49,430 the idea that yeah just like people 332 00:14:54,220 --> 00:14:52,400 invading bodies are like impersonating 333 00:14:56,730 --> 00:14:54,230 people like that is just something that 334 00:14:59,620 --> 00:14:56,740 across-the-board people are terrified of 335 00:15:02,590 --> 00:14:59,630 well something else I found really 336 00:15:06,100 --> 00:15:02,600 interesting was in your third episode 337 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:06,110 you tackle the topic that I have kind of 338 00:15:10,300 --> 00:15:07,730 been doing some research on and off 339 00:15:12,850 --> 00:15:10,310 again for the past few years in for a 340 00:15:14,410 --> 00:15:12,860 project and that's dreams sapphire and 341 00:15:17,890 --> 00:15:14,420 you tackle everything from sleep 342 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:17,900 paralysis to to share dreams and dreams 343 00:15:21,460 --> 00:15:19,490 within dreams now these are things I'd 344 00:15:23,380 --> 00:15:21,470 never even thought of I thought you know 345 00:15:24,970 --> 00:15:23,390 you have a dream when you go to sleep 346 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:24,980 you wake up you might remember it you 347 00:15:31,150 --> 00:15:28,010 might not but the more meta you get the 348 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:31,160 more crazy it seems so yeah I was 349 00:15:36,310 --> 00:15:33,410 wondering um what made you want to 350 00:15:39,130 --> 00:15:36,320 tackle dreams I knew that I wanted to do 351 00:15:43,150 --> 00:15:39,140 an episode dedicated to sleeping and 352 00:15:48,220 --> 00:15:43,160 dreams because there's just so many 353 00:15:51,100 --> 00:15:48,230 different facets to dreams and I I am an 354 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:51,110 incredibly vivid dreamer there was a 355 00:15:55,180 --> 00:15:53,570 period of time where I loose it dreamed 356 00:15:57,430 --> 00:15:55,190 every single night and there was a 357 00:15:58,600 --> 00:15:57,440 period of time where I kept having 358 00:15:59,920 --> 00:15:58,610 dreams within dreams and that's what 359 00:16:02,530 --> 00:15:59,930 that poem is where it was just like 360 00:16:03,910 --> 00:16:02,540 every single morning I would wake up and 361 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:03,920 then I'd wake up and wake up and wake up 362 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:06,290 and I was just like what does this mean 363 00:16:11,950 --> 00:16:08,450 and why is this happening to me it was 364 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:11,960 so crazy and then I also knew that there 365 00:16:14,740 --> 00:16:13,490 were shared dreams that people had 366 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:14,750 experienced and I knew about them 367 00:16:18,940 --> 00:16:17,450 because my family experienced them the 368 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:18,950 people that I interview in that episode 369 00:16:23,900 --> 00:16:21,210 it's my cousin and my 370 00:16:26,090 --> 00:16:23,910 and that was a story that I had heard 371 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:26,100 like old actually know they had a 372 00:16:30,710 --> 00:16:29,490 different shared dream like much earlier 373 00:16:34,270 --> 00:16:30,720 than that I think this one happened 374 00:16:37,490 --> 00:16:34,280 recently but yeah so the the concept of 375 00:16:40,790 --> 00:16:37,500 Dreams playing a lot of different roles 376 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:40,800 it was not a new thing to me but the 377 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:43,290 meaning behind shared dreams was like it 378 00:16:48,950 --> 00:16:45,570 wasn't until after I interviewed my aunt 379 00:16:52,450 --> 00:16:48,960 that I learned that dreams can be a way 380 00:16:55,340 --> 00:16:52,460 for spirits to communicate with us and 381 00:16:59,030 --> 00:16:55,350 because when we were in a dream state we 382 00:17:02,030 --> 00:16:59,040 are the most vulnerable to spirits to 383 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:02,040 messages to anything that we do not 384 00:17:07,340 --> 00:17:04,050 receive with our conscious mind and 385 00:17:09,020 --> 00:17:07,350 something that's and this is where 386 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:09,030 actually I don't know I'm sure people 387 00:17:12,140 --> 00:17:10,530 listening will be on board with this I 388 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:12,150 was like I haven't told a lot of people 389 00:17:14,990 --> 00:17:13,650 about this because people are like okay 390 00:17:18,140 --> 00:17:15,000 you're just like you're reaching here 391 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:18,150 but I kid you not 392 00:17:23,090 --> 00:17:20,610 a couple days ago maybe maybe it was 393 00:17:25,940 --> 00:17:23,100 last week before I went to bed and this 394 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:25,950 is because I was during the day I had 395 00:17:31,250 --> 00:17:29,010 edited one of my new upcoming podcast 396 00:17:33,950 --> 00:17:31,260 episodes and it was about this woman who 397 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:33,960 had a couple spirit experiences and they 398 00:17:37,820 --> 00:17:35,490 all happened while she was in that dream 399 00:17:42,050 --> 00:17:37,830 state and so when I went to bed that 400 00:17:45,050 --> 00:17:42,060 night I thought okay I am open to any 401 00:17:47,660 --> 00:17:45,060 messages that anyone wants to send me I 402 00:17:50,360 --> 00:17:47,670 am open to it and I had that intention 403 00:17:53,810 --> 00:17:50,370 in my head before I went to bed and then 404 00:17:55,460 --> 00:17:53,820 I had this very vivid dream this is this 405 00:17:57,230 --> 00:17:55,470 is the dream I had right before I woke 406 00:17:59,240 --> 00:17:57,240 up so it was very those are usually the 407 00:18:03,230 --> 00:17:59,250 most vivid because you're like coming up 408 00:18:05,930 --> 00:18:03,240 coming into the waking State yeah so and 409 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:05,940 I remember I saw this image I won't say 410 00:18:12,290 --> 00:18:08,490 their names but I have yeah it was weird 411 00:18:14,810 --> 00:18:12,300 I was drawing one of my friends that I 412 00:18:16,610 --> 00:18:14,820 used to work with and I thought I hadn't 413 00:18:18,530 --> 00:18:16,620 spoken to and like so long so it was 414 00:18:20,570 --> 00:18:18,540 weird that he was like in my dream and 415 00:18:23,390 --> 00:18:20,580 then I drew him holding hands with this 416 00:18:25,930 --> 00:18:23,400 woman and then in between them I drew 417 00:18:29,060 --> 00:18:25,940 like a small child and then I wrote 418 00:18:30,740 --> 00:18:29,070 crossed over on top of the child and I 419 00:18:33,950 --> 00:18:30,750 remember waking up and thinking what the 420 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:33,960 hell was that and I always have vivid 421 00:18:36,020 --> 00:18:34,290 dream 422 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:36,030 but for some reason this one felt 423 00:18:40,100 --> 00:18:37,890 different and I don't know if it's 424 00:18:42,050 --> 00:18:40,110 because I went to bed with that 425 00:18:43,430 --> 00:18:42,060 intention or if I'm just you know 426 00:18:45,260 --> 00:18:43,440 drawing conclusions because I'm like I 427 00:18:47,570 --> 00:18:45,270 want this to be real but I was like you 428 00:18:49,970 --> 00:18:47,580 know what I am just gonna ask him I'm 429 00:18:52,910 --> 00:18:49,980 gonna see if this means anything like 430 00:18:55,430 --> 00:18:52,920 what's the harm in asking so I messaged 431 00:18:57,920 --> 00:18:55,440 my friend who was in the drying and I 432 00:19:00,530 --> 00:18:57,930 said hey I had dropped this last night 433 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:00,540 do you think this means anything and he 434 00:19:07,610 --> 00:19:03,930 was like well I am seeing this woman who 435 00:19:09,860 --> 00:19:07,620 has a small son do you know like why you 436 00:19:12,170 --> 00:19:09,870 have any other like information on it 437 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:12,180 and I was like no that's like literally 438 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:13,890 all I saw but like do you think you 439 00:19:18,980 --> 00:19:16,290 could ask her what she thinks it could 440 00:19:20,630 --> 00:19:18,990 mean and he was like well I think it 441 00:19:23,570 --> 00:19:20,640 might freak her out because she is 442 00:19:25,610 --> 00:19:23,580 really into psychic stuff and she's 443 00:19:29,900 --> 00:19:25,620 really paranoid right now because her 444 00:19:32,660 --> 00:19:29,910 son has respiratory illnesses and so if 445 00:19:35,540 --> 00:19:32,670 he catches Cove in 19 he he could get it 446 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:35,550 really bad and so if she sees that you 447 00:19:39,050 --> 00:19:37,290 know that you brought crossed over on 448 00:19:42,020 --> 00:19:39,060 his chest that might freak her out and I 449 00:19:45,830 --> 00:19:42,030 was like oh my god so this could all be 450 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:45,840 nothing but I feel like it was something 451 00:19:50,690 --> 00:19:48,090 like I saw something like what are the 452 00:19:52,580 --> 00:19:50,700 odds like I had no idea that he was 453 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:52,590 dating this woman who had a child I 454 00:19:57,830 --> 00:19:54,570 don't know to me it felt like I'm 455 00:20:00,020 --> 00:19:57,840 starting to open up these starting to 456 00:20:02,780 --> 00:20:00,030 open up to these types of messages 457 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:02,790 whatever they might be right and I think 458 00:20:07,850 --> 00:20:05,250 a lot of it comes down to interpretation 459 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:07,860 to you I mean you have literal dream 460 00:20:13,130 --> 00:20:10,490 interpreters out there who try to 461 00:20:15,740 --> 00:20:13,140 dismantle or I guess 462 00:20:16,700 --> 00:20:15,750 yeah decode these things and when it 463 00:20:19,820 --> 00:20:16,710 comes to something like that 464 00:20:21,890 --> 00:20:19,830 I mean it's hard cuz you almost feel a 465 00:20:25,250 --> 00:20:21,900 responsibility that you do have to say 466 00:20:27,380 --> 00:20:25,260 something you know so yeah I it's a hard 467 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:27,390 place to be and I'm sure and I think 468 00:20:31,550 --> 00:20:28,890 probably a lot of it has to do with the 469 00:20:33,650 --> 00:20:31,560 subconscious as well you know whether 470 00:20:35,870 --> 00:20:33,660 something influenced you somehow in 471 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:35,880 knowing these things we'll never truly 472 00:20:41,270 --> 00:20:38,970 know but yeah I find the whole dream 473 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:41,280 thing fascinating especially when you 474 00:20:44,430 --> 00:20:42,930 mentioned that this might be a way for 475 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:44,440 spirits to Kim 476 00:20:50,220 --> 00:20:46,810 okay I remember distinctly my 477 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:50,230 grandfather passing away abruptly and I 478 00:20:58,410 --> 00:20:54,730 was very very close to them and I I just 479 00:21:00,900 --> 00:20:58,420 waited for years for some sort of sign 480 00:21:03,360 --> 00:21:00,910 or something you know that he was he was 481 00:21:05,820 --> 00:21:03,370 around or this that this that and then I 482 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:05,830 just remember one night I had and I'm 483 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:07,930 not a very vivid dreamer I rarely 484 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:10,930 remember my dreams ever in my whole life 485 00:21:15,690 --> 00:21:13,330 I remember this dream vividly where he 486 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:15,700 was in the backyard we were having like 487 00:21:20,100 --> 00:21:17,650 a family get-together everyone was there 488 00:21:21,420 --> 00:21:20,110 and he was in the background he wasn't 489 00:21:23,610 --> 00:21:21,430 even in the forefront of the dream 490 00:21:25,860 --> 00:21:23,620 nothing but it was the first time I saw 491 00:21:29,910 --> 00:21:25,870 his face in like years you know other 492 00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:29,920 than like in a picture and it's so crazy 493 00:21:35,550 --> 00:21:33,130 I just like my mind zoomed in on him 494 00:21:39,270 --> 00:21:35,560 amongst all the kids running around in 495 00:21:41,490 --> 00:21:39,280 the the parents you know talking and he 496 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:41,500 kind of walked up to me in the dream and 497 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:43,810 he just said I'm here what do you want 498 00:21:50,730 --> 00:21:48,210 to talk about and then I woke up and I 499 00:21:53,490 --> 00:21:50,740 only told this story like once or twice 500 00:21:55,860 --> 00:21:53,500 to a few other people my mom 501 00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:55,870 specifically who it was her father and 502 00:21:59,760 --> 00:21:57,730 you know it brought her to tears hearing 503 00:22:04,440 --> 00:21:59,770 that because she told me that she had 504 00:22:07,710 --> 00:22:04,450 the same exact dream as well like months 505 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:07,720 earlier and I didn't know if that was 506 00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:10,570 because we were related or this was a 507 00:22:14,820 --> 00:22:12,640 shared dream experience but until you 508 00:22:16,890 --> 00:22:14,830 came up with that term or said that term 509 00:22:19,020 --> 00:22:16,900 in your show I hadn't thought about that 510 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:19,030 in years and it just like popped in my 511 00:22:23,190 --> 00:22:20,650 head and like oh my god we had like a 512 00:22:25,470 --> 00:22:23,200 shared dream so yeah I don't know what 513 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:25,480 to make of it either but it's it's 514 00:22:28,650 --> 00:22:26,650 fascinating 515 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:28,660 I'm so happy you covered that oh yeah 516 00:22:32,070 --> 00:22:30,730 and I like I love that yeah that's the 517 00:22:35,310 --> 00:22:32,080 reason why I love sharing these stories 518 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:35,320 because you you know like it made you 519 00:22:39,900 --> 00:22:37,810 remember this like really significant 520 00:22:41,850 --> 00:22:39,910 moment in time and it kind of gave you 521 00:22:43,710 --> 00:22:41,860 like a context like oh this is that's 522 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:43,720 what it is it's a shared dream oh other 523 00:22:47,550 --> 00:22:45,490 people experience that too oh this is 524 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:47,560 what it could mean I think that more 525 00:22:53,670 --> 00:22:49,930 often than not we are having 526 00:22:56,340 --> 00:22:53,680 supernatural experiences but because you 527 00:22:58,360 --> 00:22:56,350 may not know that it is supernatural you 528 00:23:00,250 --> 00:22:58,370 kind of just you don't you don't 529 00:23:02,170 --> 00:23:00,260 think of it that way until somebody 530 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:02,180 points it out yeah and then it takes on 531 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:05,210 a whole new meaning yeah well okay so 532 00:23:08,890 --> 00:23:07,490 we're diving a little deeper into your 533 00:23:10,810 --> 00:23:08,900 podcast I don't want to give away too 534 00:23:13,060 --> 00:23:10,820 much I highly suggest that the bonus and 535 00:23:15,460 --> 00:23:13,070 we're just teasing some of my favorite 536 00:23:17,860 --> 00:23:15,470 stories I came across but um we're gonna 537 00:23:20,970 --> 00:23:17,870 get a little dark sapphire in the later 538 00:23:23,650 --> 00:23:20,980 episodes of the show episode 4 you cover 539 00:23:25,810 --> 00:23:23,660 possession something that a lot of 540 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:25,820 people are not willing to face talk 541 00:23:30,730 --> 00:23:28,490 about I know so many people who have 542 00:23:34,510 --> 00:23:30,740 never watched The Exorcist for this very 543 00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:34,520 reason my mom exactly so for anyone 544 00:23:38,770 --> 00:23:36,080 listening go listen to that episode 545 00:23:45,100 --> 00:23:38,780 hearing you argue with your mother about 546 00:23:47,650 --> 00:23:45,110 her having seen the movie or not see it 547 00:23:50,620 --> 00:23:47,660 I'm so bad I like I remember in the room 548 00:23:53,260 --> 00:23:50,630 I think she just blocked it out of her 549 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:53,270 memory I don't blame her I try to block 550 00:23:58,510 --> 00:23:55,730 it out well there was another story in 551 00:24:01,960 --> 00:23:58,520 this one too with a girl named girly and 552 00:24:04,419 --> 00:24:01,970 I found it really interesting uh is this 553 00:24:06,910 --> 00:24:04,429 a story you might be willing to to share 554 00:24:11,410 --> 00:24:06,920 with us here sure I can give just like 555 00:24:14,110 --> 00:24:11,420 the the basic premise of it so girly was 556 00:24:17,350 --> 00:24:14,120 visiting her family in the Philippines I 557 00:24:19,870 --> 00:24:17,360 believe that her grandfather had just 558 00:24:21,730 --> 00:24:19,880 passed away so they were at like the 559 00:24:25,690 --> 00:24:21,740 like the party before the funeral 560 00:24:29,470 --> 00:24:25,700 basically at her dad's house and all of 561 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:29,480 a sudden her aunt falls over in the 562 00:24:33,970 --> 00:24:32,450 kitchen and they carry her into the 563 00:24:37,630 --> 00:24:33,980 living room and they put this black 564 00:24:41,140 --> 00:24:37,640 cloth on her face and people start 565 00:24:45,340 --> 00:24:41,150 speaking to her as if she is the spirit 566 00:24:49,299 --> 00:24:45,350 of her grandfather she becomes a spirit 567 00:24:51,610 --> 00:24:49,309 channel that is another thing that I've 568 00:24:53,799 --> 00:24:51,620 shied away from in my own life just 569 00:24:55,810 --> 00:24:53,809 because I was raised Catholic and these 570 00:24:57,549 --> 00:24:55,820 things you know you're you're told not 571 00:25:00,520 --> 00:24:57,559 to talk about it and don't invite it 572 00:25:02,260 --> 00:25:00,530 into your life so yeah yeah that one 573 00:25:05,049 --> 00:25:02,270 freaked me out a little bit I'm not 574 00:25:07,060 --> 00:25:05,059 gonna lie well that's a big like in the 575 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:07,070 story girly runs away because she's so 576 00:25:12,290 --> 00:25:08,570 terrified because it is kind of a scary 577 00:25:13,940 --> 00:25:12,300 thought but it is just her grand 578 00:25:15,380 --> 00:25:13,950 father oh wait it may not have been 579 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:15,390 grandfather I'm not having grandma sorry 580 00:25:21,470 --> 00:25:19,290 I forgot um but she's not possessed by 581 00:25:23,930 --> 00:25:21,480 something evil it's a family member in 582 00:25:25,730 --> 00:25:23,940 that that's that's an interesting sight 583 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:25,740 because you don't hear about positive 584 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:28,650 possession often so I mean when you have 585 00:25:32,330 --> 00:25:30,330 stories like this come around it's like 586 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:32,340 oh okay this could literally be a 587 00:25:36,890 --> 00:25:34,650 channeling of a family member or someone 588 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:36,900 you cared deeply about it doesn't have 589 00:25:43,790 --> 00:25:41,490 to be a demon to the world I guess and 590 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:43,800 it's also this is really common in 591 00:25:50,030 --> 00:25:46,730 Filipino families there's a lot of 592 00:25:53,870 --> 00:25:50,040 people who have this ability to become a 593 00:25:58,220 --> 00:25:53,880 spirit channel and indigenous Filipinos 594 00:26:00,290 --> 00:25:58,230 they believe that you have these like 595 00:26:01,970 --> 00:26:00,300 two souls like there's the soul in your 596 00:26:05,540 --> 00:26:01,980 head and then the soul in your body and 597 00:26:08,350 --> 00:26:05,550 they can separate from yourself and like 598 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:08,360 a shaman is the only one who's able to 599 00:26:14,510 --> 00:26:11,850 kind of control that and so like what 600 00:26:17,090 --> 00:26:14,520 can happen is like they basically remove 601 00:26:20,120 --> 00:26:17,100 one of their souls and then they like 602 00:26:21,950 --> 00:26:20,130 inhabit the the soul of a deceased 603 00:26:24,770 --> 00:26:21,960 family member I don't know if I 604 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:24,780 explained that well at all no the the 605 00:26:28,670 --> 00:26:27,450 just the imagery of that alone is like 606 00:26:30,890 --> 00:26:28,680 blowing my mind 607 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:30,900 I've met with maybe one shaman in my 608 00:26:35,900 --> 00:26:33,450 life and heard him say similar things 609 00:26:39,980 --> 00:26:35,910 like that so yeah it's cool it's almost 610 00:26:42,380 --> 00:26:39,990 like doing Souls that way it doesn't 611 00:26:44,180 --> 00:26:42,390 always have to be scary yeah yeah I 612 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:44,190 think that's what I'm learning as I'm 613 00:26:48,860 --> 00:26:45,930 listening to your show it's almost 614 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:48,870 evolving in terms of this doesn't all 615 00:26:54,500 --> 00:26:51,330 have to be dark and evil yeah actually 616 00:26:58,010 --> 00:26:54,510 that no yeah that's um that was 617 00:26:59,180 --> 00:26:58,020 definitely intentional I think with my 618 00:27:01,550 --> 00:26:59,190 old show something scary 619 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:01,560 I was definitely just trying to play up 620 00:27:06,140 --> 00:27:04,410 the spookiness and it you know like gore 621 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:06,150 and like killing off kids and like just 622 00:27:10,430 --> 00:27:09,210 being really extra and you know I'm like 623 00:27:12,500 --> 00:27:10,440 whatever the kids are gonna be 624 00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:12,510 entertained by and then I think by the 625 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:14,880 end of that show I felt kind of like 626 00:27:20,330 --> 00:27:18,690 this feels this feels a little empty for 627 00:27:22,370 --> 00:27:20,340 me and now and now I'm sort of switching 628 00:27:23,810 --> 00:27:22,380 it where I'm like I'm not gonna you know 629 00:27:26,150 --> 00:27:23,820 just go for like what I think is the 630 00:27:28,610 --> 00:27:26,160 scariest with this show 631 00:27:31,250 --> 00:27:28,620 I I kind of want to show the other side 632 00:27:33,050 --> 00:27:31,260 that paranormal phenomena isn't always 633 00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:33,060 scary sometimes it's really meaningful 634 00:27:37,370 --> 00:27:35,520 and heartwarming it's an evolution I 635 00:27:39,500 --> 00:27:37,380 think in our thinking and compassion for 636 00:27:41,330 --> 00:27:39,510 those having these experiences I feel 637 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:41,340 the same way when it comes to alien 638 00:27:46,460 --> 00:27:42,930 abduction stories everyone's searching 639 00:27:49,580 --> 00:27:46,470 for that you know really dark and 640 00:27:53,540 --> 00:27:49,590 intrusive and sensational storing a 641 00:27:55,670 --> 00:27:53,550 tional that's the word yeah yeah it's a 642 00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:55,680 good word in both of our fields for sure 643 00:28:00,860 --> 00:27:58,050 there's a lot of it but um when it comes 644 00:28:02,930 --> 00:28:00,870 down to it these are people and it can 645 00:28:04,010 --> 00:28:02,940 traumatize them no matter what happened 646 00:28:06,290 --> 00:28:04,020 to them and no matter what they believe 647 00:28:08,090 --> 00:28:06,300 happened to them so I try to keep that 648 00:28:11,300 --> 00:28:08,100 in mind in terms of my own research of 649 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:11,310 don't don't go for the sensational or 650 00:28:17,030 --> 00:28:14,250 the most you know exhilarating or 651 00:28:19,130 --> 00:28:17,040 exciting or scary story it's like just 652 00:28:21,350 --> 00:28:19,140 tell the human story of these things 653 00:28:23,630 --> 00:28:21,360 that's much more compelling we're gonna 654 00:28:27,620 --> 00:28:23,640 go extra for a minute here sapphire so 655 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:27,630 in Episode five God the man whose 656 00:28:32,570 --> 00:28:30,330 features were crawling on his face I 657 00:28:34,550 --> 00:28:32,580 mean I'm just gonna leave the audience 658 00:28:36,500 --> 00:28:34,560 with that and let you take it from here 659 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:36,510 this is one of your favorite ghost 660 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:39,210 stories you said in the episode so can 661 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:40,410 you maybe run us a little through this 662 00:28:47,780 --> 00:28:44,250 with Mark Allen Miller actually he tells 663 00:28:50,300 --> 00:28:47,790 the story so well that I can't do it 664 00:28:52,460 --> 00:28:50,310 justice so if you want to hear it go 665 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:52,470 listen to the episode that is a pitch 666 00:28:57,260 --> 00:28:54,690 right there spoken like a true podcaster 667 00:29:00,170 --> 00:28:57,270 that's awesome well and you also had the 668 00:29:02,420 --> 00:29:00,180 image posted on your website so I 669 00:29:04,700 --> 00:29:02,430 definitely suggest people listen to it 670 00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:04,710 episode 5 of stories with sapphire and 671 00:29:08,770 --> 00:29:06,720 then look at the photo otherwise it's 672 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:08,780 going to ask you for the whole episode 673 00:29:16,130 --> 00:29:13,890 screams so yeah your reaction your like 674 00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:16,140 immediate reaction is exactly how I felt 675 00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:18,510 when the photo popped up so well okay so 676 00:29:24,140 --> 00:29:21,600 episode 7 you cover curses this is 677 00:29:26,990 --> 00:29:24,150 something I have never really thought 678 00:29:29,150 --> 00:29:27,000 about or looked at and it was 679 00:29:31,910 --> 00:29:29,160 interesting you told this story to the 680 00:29:34,460 --> 00:29:31,920 form of a story told to you by Michelle 681 00:29:37,220 --> 00:29:34,470 Davis so would you mind telling our 682 00:29:39,170 --> 00:29:37,230 audience about the Hat man this is a 683 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:39,180 phenomenon that I'm not too familiar 684 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:39,810 with 685 00:29:43,130 --> 00:29:41,490 a lot of people told me to look into it 686 00:29:46,580 --> 00:29:43,140 so yeah what do you got in terms of this 687 00:29:49,130 --> 00:29:46,590 yeah so the Hat man is basically a type 688 00:29:52,610 --> 00:29:49,140 of shadow person are you familiar with 689 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:52,620 shadow people oh absolutely yeah yeah so 690 00:29:58,520 --> 00:29:54,930 the Hat man is sort of like a specific 691 00:30:03,260 --> 00:29:58,530 version of that for whatever reason 692 00:30:06,290 --> 00:30:03,270 people sometimes see a figure it is all 693 00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:06,300 black it's essentially a shadow but the 694 00:30:11,630 --> 00:30:08,640 silhouette you can kind of tell that 695 00:30:14,450 --> 00:30:11,640 it's wearing some sort of like like a 696 00:30:17,420 --> 00:30:14,460 fedora and it's wearing a trench coat 697 00:30:19,310 --> 00:30:17,430 and boots and that is an image that has 698 00:30:21,620 --> 00:30:19,320 been seen all over the world by so many 699 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:21,630 different people for whatever reason 700 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:24,050 this image of the Hat man is everywhere 701 00:30:29,390 --> 00:30:27,090 so Michelle she's actually an old high 702 00:30:30,590 --> 00:30:29,400 school friend um which is kind of that's 703 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:30,600 another reason why I love doing the show 704 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:32,010 cuz I get to reconnect with people I 705 00:30:37,820 --> 00:30:35,730 have hit spoken so long yeah and I 706 00:30:39,380 --> 00:30:37,830 actually I remember that she talked 707 00:30:41,810 --> 00:30:39,390 about this when we were in high school 708 00:30:44,660 --> 00:30:41,820 and so I it was really interesting to 709 00:30:46,340 --> 00:30:44,670 get the full story now because she's an 710 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:46,350 adult looking back on it because I 711 00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:49,050 remember she was really terrified of it 712 00:30:54,890 --> 00:30:52,320 in the moment so basically her her dad 713 00:30:57,410 --> 00:30:54,900 and her sister I had been seeing the hat 714 00:30:59,030 --> 00:30:57,420 man all over their house and the 715 00:31:02,540 --> 00:30:59,040 backyard that they lived in and it just 716 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:02,550 like followed them for years and every 717 00:31:08,510 --> 00:31:04,650 time she saw it it would get closer and 718 00:31:10,820 --> 00:31:08,520 it would be more what do you call it it 719 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:10,830 would be more sick like visible to her 720 00:31:18,380 --> 00:31:13,770 like it the sightings of this hat man 721 00:31:20,930 --> 00:31:18,390 kept progressing so I believe the last 722 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:20,940 time that Michelle saw it it just fully 723 00:31:24,770 --> 00:31:22,770 operated in front of her while she was 724 00:31:26,150 --> 00:31:24,780 trying to cook food and she got so 725 00:31:28,490 --> 00:31:26,160 scared that she just ran out of the 726 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:28,500 house with the kitchen stove on and 727 00:31:32,570 --> 00:31:30,210 locked herself out so she was just like 728 00:31:34,130 --> 00:31:32,580 shivering outside and she couldn't get 729 00:31:36,770 --> 00:31:34,140 back in because she was locked out and 730 00:31:40,490 --> 00:31:36,780 way too terrified that phenomenon alone 731 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:40,500 like the fact that we have no true I 732 00:31:45,620 --> 00:31:42,810 guess you could say folklore behind it 733 00:31:48,260 --> 00:31:45,630 or you know where have these stories 734 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:48,270 come from what type of phenomenon is it 735 00:31:52,250 --> 00:31:50,490 we don't know it's just there and that 736 00:31:53,100 --> 00:31:52,260 almost makes it scarier you know we 737 00:31:55,860 --> 00:31:53,110 can't really 738 00:31:59,280 --> 00:31:55,870 peg it to the supernatural or any wins 739 00:32:01,710 --> 00:31:59,290 or right you know interdimensional 740 00:32:04,380 --> 00:32:01,720 beings or just a figment or 741 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:04,390 manifestation of our own what psyche 742 00:32:09,180 --> 00:32:05,890 fears I don't know 743 00:32:12,300 --> 00:32:09,190 well there is a theory about why we see 744 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:12,310 shadow people I forget the name of the 745 00:32:16,770 --> 00:32:14,170 body of the part of the part of the 746 00:32:18,390 --> 00:32:16,780 brain I think it's like TM not TMJ 747 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:18,400 that's your jaw 748 00:32:24,330 --> 00:32:20,410 it's like TPJ or something like that 749 00:32:28,110 --> 00:32:24,340 where if you stimulate it you get this 750 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:28,120 feeling that something sinister is 751 00:32:32,820 --> 00:32:30,730 watching you or something is in the room 752 00:32:35,670 --> 00:32:32,830 with you and so a lot of scientists 753 00:32:39,540 --> 00:32:35,680 attribute that to why certain people 754 00:32:41,850 --> 00:32:39,550 feel ghosts so that I agree like yes 755 00:32:44,550 --> 00:32:41,860 that is the case a lot of the time 756 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:44,560 probably why people feel shadow people 757 00:32:51,090 --> 00:32:48,330 or why people see these things however 758 00:32:55,410 --> 00:32:51,100 that specific thing that they're talking 759 00:32:57,780 --> 00:32:55,420 about is when you get that feeling that 760 00:33:01,470 --> 00:32:57,790 something is there it doesn't answer why 761 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:01,480 we see a silhouetted hat man yeah yeah 762 00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:06,850 I'll leave it at that yeah it's a little 763 00:33:16,340 --> 00:33:13,840 [Music] 764 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:16,350 the legends what's happening this is Dan 765 00:33:19,490 --> 00:33:17,970 from the true kraang rapper podcast 766 00:33:21,950 --> 00:33:19,500 putting out a call to you to come over 767 00:33:23,570 --> 00:33:21,960 and give us a call we're approaching our 768 00:33:25,070 --> 00:33:23,580 second year at doing this if we love 769 00:33:27,470 --> 00:33:25,080 what we do and you'll find a pretty 770 00:33:29,870 --> 00:33:27,480 solid product in a storytelling format 771 00:33:32,270 --> 00:33:29,880 well researched and written with some 772 00:33:35,930 --> 00:33:32,280 cool music through name we've got a web 773 00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:35,940 page over at Bobby WM - grapple 774 00:33:41,540 --> 00:33:39,120 captivate FM where you can have access 775 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:41,550 to offer archives and all of our social 776 00:33:46,100 --> 00:33:44,130 media links that are near as well we're 777 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:46,110 also available to subscribe to and just 778 00:33:51,050 --> 00:33:48,090 about everywhere you listen to pods on 779 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:51,060 you so check us out that's a true crane 780 00:34:04,370 --> 00:33:54,090 grapple podcast and let us feature 781 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:04,380 morbid curiosity show we move to a much 782 00:34:10,460 --> 00:34:08,130 better place very beautiful how the 783 00:34:12,380 --> 00:34:10,470 supernatural sort of formed around loved 784 00:34:14,750 --> 00:34:12,390 ones and friends and you touched on this 785 00:34:16,730 --> 00:34:14,760 earlier so I definitely suggest that is 786 00:34:18,110 --> 00:34:16,740 your most recent episode people listen 787 00:34:20,270 --> 00:34:18,120 to that one if you want a good palate 788 00:34:23,420 --> 00:34:20,280 cleanser for I guess your hot your heart 789 00:34:26,720 --> 00:34:23,430 in your mind and I kind of want to move 790 00:34:29,930 --> 00:34:26,730 on past the show to some more I guess 791 00:34:32,450 --> 00:34:29,940 some more heavier questions in terms of 792 00:34:34,970 --> 00:34:32,460 the paranormal and you know I'm steeped 793 00:34:36,490 --> 00:34:34,980 in UFO culture and research every day in 794 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:36,500 my life so I don't know much about 795 00:34:41,420 --> 00:34:38,850 Supernatural clearly but one thing I 796 00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:41,430 found really interesting is this 797 00:34:47,330 --> 00:34:43,440 observation on what spirits or entities 798 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:47,340 might prey on I guess would be a good 799 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:49,290 way to put it you know certain people or 800 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:51,570 reasons why they attach to certain 801 00:34:54,650 --> 00:34:53,010 people so I was wondering could you 802 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:54,660 maybe tell us a little about this 803 00:35:00,770 --> 00:34:57,090 concept and why you believe it might be 804 00:35:04,510 --> 00:35:00,780 true or not I believe that to some 805 00:35:08,570 --> 00:35:04,520 degree everybody has an ability to 806 00:35:11,540 --> 00:35:08,580 communicate with whatever you want to 807 00:35:13,970 --> 00:35:11,550 call it spirits ghosts we all have that 808 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:13,980 ability there are some people that are 809 00:35:19,610 --> 00:35:17,010 just much more sensitive than others to 810 00:35:21,650 --> 00:35:19,620 spirits and ghosts and stuff like that 811 00:35:24,620 --> 00:35:21,660 basically need sort of paranormal 812 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:24,630 phenomena and what that means is that 813 00:35:27,210 --> 00:35:25,930 usually there 814 00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:27,220 they're kind of they're operating on a 815 00:35:33,290 --> 00:35:30,089 on a different vibration whole energy 816 00:35:36,270 --> 00:35:33,300 than the rest of us like everybody has a 817 00:35:39,390 --> 00:35:36,280 vibration that's what an aura is and 818 00:35:41,430 --> 00:35:39,400 auras are very real everybody has an 819 00:35:44,190 --> 00:35:41,440 aura you know like you've if you've been 820 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:44,200 around people who are super negative and 821 00:35:49,079 --> 00:35:47,410 toxic that's an aura and then there's so 822 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:49,089 people who are really sensitive to 823 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:52,210 spirits they have they're vibrating at a 824 00:35:59,520 --> 00:35:55,170 certain a certain way and usually 825 00:36:01,620 --> 00:35:59,530 spirits can detect when people are this 826 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:01,630 sensitive and so I actually this 827 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:04,210 terrifies me this was something my 828 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:05,770 friend told me a long time ago he said 829 00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:08,410 that he had a friend who would never 830 00:36:12,270 --> 00:36:10,480 make eye contact with everyone would 831 00:36:14,339 --> 00:36:12,280 always like dart around looking the room 832 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:14,349 never stare too long in one place 833 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:18,010 because if she made eye contact with the 834 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:20,170 spirit and it knew that she was looking 835 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:21,970 at it it would come right over to her 836 00:36:27,780 --> 00:36:26,770 and so he's I got chills when he told me 837 00:36:30,809 --> 00:36:27,790 that I was like the what a terrifying 838 00:36:32,099 --> 00:36:30,819 exists that's so sad you know because 839 00:36:34,559 --> 00:36:32,109 she didn't want to talk to them but they 840 00:36:36,180 --> 00:36:34,569 would always want to talk to her and so 841 00:36:39,390 --> 00:36:36,190 ever since I've heard that that's sort 842 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:39,400 of what framed my idea of because I'm 843 00:36:43,140 --> 00:36:41,170 not a sensitive person I don't see 844 00:36:45,839 --> 00:36:43,150 spirits in the ways that a lot of people 845 00:36:48,450 --> 00:36:45,849 do I've spoken with a lot of different 846 00:36:50,130 --> 00:36:48,460 people who are and they all experience 847 00:36:51,990 --> 00:36:50,140 it in a very different way like I 848 00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:52,000 remember one girl explained it to me 849 00:36:57,299 --> 00:36:54,640 that she she would look at people and 850 00:36:58,920 --> 00:36:57,309 she could see if something was attached 851 00:37:00,900 --> 00:36:58,930 to them like there was one person 852 00:37:02,549 --> 00:37:00,910 someone in her school I think she was in 853 00:37:04,289 --> 00:37:02,559 high school there was a girl in her 854 00:37:07,049 --> 00:37:04,299 school that she never talked to but she 855 00:37:09,359 --> 00:37:07,059 saw this black shape just sort of 856 00:37:10,740 --> 00:37:09,369 hovering around her all the time as she 857 00:37:13,020 --> 00:37:10,750 never knew if she should tell her about 858 00:37:15,599 --> 00:37:13,030 it because she didn't really know her 859 00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:15,609 and then I think it was like weeks later 860 00:37:21,059 --> 00:37:18,640 that girl ended up committing suicide so 861 00:37:23,819 --> 00:37:21,069 that's one way that people are able to 862 00:37:26,039 --> 00:37:23,829 see these things and then other people 863 00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:26,049 see an actual person standing next to 864 00:37:30,089 --> 00:37:28,480 somebody so it these spirits appear in 865 00:37:33,329 --> 00:37:30,099 many different ways 866 00:37:37,109 --> 00:37:33,339 so um okay I'll use the example of 867 00:37:39,510 --> 00:37:37,119 shadow people so the theory goes that if 868 00:37:42,570 --> 00:37:39,520 that a shadow person can 869 00:37:45,420 --> 00:37:42,580 be manifested from a living human being 870 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:45,430 and the way that that happens is if you 871 00:37:51,630 --> 00:37:49,090 are emitting so much negative energy it 872 00:37:55,230 --> 00:37:51,640 will attract these shadow people to you 873 00:37:58,740 --> 00:37:55,240 so that's why a lot of mediums and 874 00:38:00,870 --> 00:37:58,750 healers do a lot of protective rituals 875 00:38:03,290 --> 00:38:00,880 because they you know they're they're 876 00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:03,300 vibrating it's such a high vibration 877 00:38:08,130 --> 00:38:05,920 that they're attracting not only good 878 00:38:09,690 --> 00:38:08,140 stuff but also bad stuff and so they 879 00:38:12,270 --> 00:38:09,700 sort of have to put these protective 880 00:38:14,250 --> 00:38:12,280 layers and there's these types of 881 00:38:15,930 --> 00:38:14,260 meditations like one really common one 882 00:38:18,930 --> 00:38:15,940 is like the white light meditation which 883 00:38:21,780 --> 00:38:18,940 you've probably heard of where you it's 884 00:38:24,540 --> 00:38:21,790 a meditation but you're picturing that 885 00:38:26,700 --> 00:38:24,550 you are emitting white light from your 886 00:38:28,890 --> 00:38:26,710 body like that's one of the ways that 887 00:38:32,670 --> 00:38:28,900 you can protect yourself from negative 888 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:32,680 and evil spirits and stuff with a 889 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:35,410 poltergeist - so a poltergeist is also 890 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:37,330 thought to manifest from somebody and 891 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:39,330 most commonly they manifests from 892 00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:41,890 teenagers and the reason why is because 893 00:38:46,380 --> 00:38:43,680 teenagers are going through puberty 894 00:38:49,410 --> 00:38:46,390 hormonal changes you know they're in a 895 00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:49,420 very a very unstable part of their life 896 00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:51,280 and so it's causing a lot of this really 897 00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:53,920 chaotic energy and that's where a 898 00:38:58,800 --> 00:38:57,130 poltergeist will manifest and so it's 899 00:39:01,410 --> 00:38:58,810 it's sort of like like there's this 900 00:39:05,850 --> 00:39:01,420 relationship right so it's like if it's 901 00:39:08,970 --> 00:39:05,860 like you you all you draw them in if you 902 00:39:10,170 --> 00:39:08,980 are in a dark place but it's sort of is 903 00:39:14,070 --> 00:39:10,180 like a chicken or the egg situation 904 00:39:17,610 --> 00:39:14,080 because spirits can drain you if you are 905 00:39:19,130 --> 00:39:17,620 living in a haunted home you may become 906 00:39:22,050 --> 00:39:19,140 depressed and anxious and just 907 00:39:25,230 --> 00:39:22,060 physically and mentally drained but then 908 00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:25,240 on the other hand if you are already in 909 00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:27,760 a dark place for whatever reason that 910 00:39:33,450 --> 00:39:29,920 can also draw the spirits in so it's 911 00:39:35,510 --> 00:39:33,460 sort of it goes both ways right it's 912 00:39:39,180 --> 00:39:35,520 kind of like a dance it's like this 913 00:39:41,220 --> 00:39:39,190 co-creation sort of hypothesis that like 914 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:41,230 we both bring a little something to the 915 00:39:45,570 --> 00:39:43,090 table I've always wondered that like if 916 00:39:48,210 --> 00:39:45,580 you are in a haunted house so you do 917 00:39:50,100 --> 00:39:48,220 experience a apparition or a spirit of 918 00:39:52,230 --> 00:39:50,110 some sort like are they just as 919 00:39:53,380 --> 00:39:52,240 surprised as you are that they've made 920 00:39:55,690 --> 00:39:53,390 contact 921 00:39:58,870 --> 00:39:55,700 always wondered that like is it always 922 00:40:02,650 --> 00:39:58,880 them initiating the contact or how much 923 00:40:04,450 --> 00:40:02,660 do we with our perception or our 924 00:40:06,910 --> 00:40:04,460 consciousness whatever you might call it 925 00:40:09,070 --> 00:40:06,920 how much do we bring to the table and we 926 00:40:11,860 --> 00:40:09,080 deal with that in the the world of UFOs 927 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:11,870 and aliens as well like you know I 928 00:40:16,930 --> 00:40:13,850 people always ask me how do I see a UFO 929 00:40:18,370 --> 00:40:16,940 I'm like you you see a UFO like that's 930 00:40:20,980 --> 00:40:18,380 that's the best answer I can tell you I 931 00:40:23,590 --> 00:40:20,990 can't tell you that some certain thing 932 00:40:25,390 --> 00:40:23,600 is gonna draw it in or or if you spend 933 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:25,400 ten hours outside you're gonna see a UFO 934 00:40:30,730 --> 00:40:28,850 you probably will of some sort but at 935 00:40:31,450 --> 00:40:30,740 the end of the day like it just kind of 936 00:40:34,930 --> 00:40:31,460 happens 937 00:40:36,580 --> 00:40:34,940 yeah but I I think we're in this with 938 00:40:38,860 --> 00:40:36,590 this like with the case of spirits and 939 00:40:41,500 --> 00:40:38,870 stuff there is a way to open yourself up 940 00:40:43,750 --> 00:40:41,510 to these things like like I said earlier 941 00:40:45,700 --> 00:40:43,760 with the dream when I went to bed and I 942 00:40:47,980 --> 00:40:45,710 consciously thought I want to receive 943 00:40:49,950 --> 00:40:47,990 messages and then I I believe I received 944 00:40:52,990 --> 00:40:49,960 something you know there is a way to 945 00:40:55,900 --> 00:40:53,000 seek it out there is a way to see these 946 00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:55,910 things that's really interesting there's 947 00:41:00,250 --> 00:40:58,130 this big movement now in the UFO world 948 00:41:02,530 --> 00:41:00,260 where it's called Close Encounters of 949 00:41:05,140 --> 00:41:02,540 the fifth kind that's where I read now 950 00:41:07,540 --> 00:41:05,150 in the contact scale I guess the 951 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:07,550 classification system where people 952 00:41:14,590 --> 00:41:12,010 believe that they can be so in tuned and 953 00:41:16,690 --> 00:41:14,600 can initiate contact with an 954 00:41:19,750 --> 00:41:16,700 otherworldly being whether that means 955 00:41:21,550 --> 00:41:19,760 aliens specifically or spiritually um 956 00:41:24,190 --> 00:41:21,560 it's fascinating to see these 957 00:41:26,860 --> 00:41:24,200 connections you can make between the 958 00:41:28,780 --> 00:41:26,870 supernatural world and UFOs and I we're 959 00:41:31,540 --> 00:41:28,790 gonna touch on that in a little bit but 960 00:41:34,330 --> 00:41:31,550 um there is a there's another project 961 00:41:36,220 --> 00:41:34,340 that you work on sapphire that I I have 962 00:41:39,420 --> 00:41:36,230 to bring up elephant in the room you're 963 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:39,430 on television we both share this this 964 00:41:45,820 --> 00:41:42,650 experience of working with our fields in 965 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:45,830 the world of entertainment in it is not 966 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:49,610 easy so yeah if you wouldn't mind just 967 00:41:55,090 --> 00:41:52,370 mentioning what show it is but I more 968 00:41:57,700 --> 00:41:55,100 than knowing what it is I just want to 969 00:41:59,770 --> 00:41:57,710 know your thoughts on what is it like 970 00:42:01,270 --> 00:41:59,780 working in the entertainment field when 971 00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:01,280 it comes to these topics do you think 972 00:42:06,250 --> 00:42:04,160 these shows help or hinder research or 973 00:42:07,060 --> 00:42:06,260 the perception of it I have my own 974 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:07,070 thoughts in a pen 975 00:42:11,110 --> 00:42:09,170 in terms of what I do in that world as 976 00:42:14,590 --> 00:42:11,120 well so I'd love to hear from you what 977 00:42:16,450 --> 00:42:14,600 you think sure so I'm on a show on the 978 00:42:19,570 --> 00:42:16,460 Travel Channel called paranormal caught 979 00:42:24,180 --> 00:42:19,580 on camera it's a clip show so viewers 980 00:42:27,070 --> 00:42:24,190 will send in video that they captured of 981 00:42:29,860 --> 00:42:27,080 supposedly paranormal phenomena and so 982 00:42:31,900 --> 00:42:29,870 they have a bunch of panelists who look 983 00:42:35,020 --> 00:42:31,910 at the videos and then they analyze them 984 00:42:37,180 --> 00:42:35,030 and talk about what it could possibly be 985 00:42:38,950 --> 00:42:37,190 that we see we don't see bunk them we 986 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:38,960 just talk about what it could possibly 987 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:42,290 be um so right now I believe we're in 988 00:42:48,220 --> 00:42:45,370 the third season and at the beginning 989 00:42:50,020 --> 00:42:48,230 when I first was on the show you know 990 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:50,030 this is the first TV show I was ever on 991 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:52,970 so I didn't know what to expect I just 992 00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:54,290 thought it was really cool that they 993 00:43:01,420 --> 00:42:56,650 wanted to pay me to talk about ghosts 994 00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:01,430 yeah and you know I actually / oh god I 995 00:43:07,450 --> 00:43:04,250 think it's been 2 years since I've been 996 00:43:10,090 --> 00:43:07,460 on this show I feel like I have this new 997 00:43:14,460 --> 00:43:10,100 responsibility to give answers that I 998 00:43:18,090 --> 00:43:14,470 think will be more helpful than harmful 999 00:43:21,310 --> 00:43:18,100 in the world of paranormal entertainment 1000 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:21,320 obviously I don't have a say in what 1001 00:43:25,870 --> 00:43:23,330 gets cut and what actually makes it into 1002 00:43:29,350 --> 00:43:25,880 the show but I do have control over what 1003 00:43:31,590 --> 00:43:29,360 I say and if I'm can call out you know 1004 00:43:33,700 --> 00:43:31,600 people running around in a house 1005 00:43:37,630 --> 00:43:33,710 disrespecting all of these spirits and 1006 00:43:41,470 --> 00:43:37,640 yeah I'm gonna say that so I it's funny 1007 00:43:44,140 --> 00:43:41,480 I just like I feel like I've become very 1008 00:43:47,500 --> 00:43:44,150 much like the the ghost sympathizer 1009 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:47,510 because with all like any time we have 1010 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:50,090 to react to a clip where people are 1011 00:43:54,700 --> 00:43:52,370 doing an investigation and then they're 1012 00:43:56,770 --> 00:43:54,710 so scared and shot that they actually 1013 00:43:58,720 --> 00:43:56,780 like pad contact and they're like 1014 00:44:01,120 --> 00:43:58,730 yelling and screaming and I'm like dude 1015 00:44:02,590 --> 00:44:01,130 what did like what did you expect like 1016 00:44:04,750 --> 00:44:02,600 you're and also you're being really 1017 00:44:06,970 --> 00:44:04,760 disrespectful like if you're trying to 1018 00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:06,980 communicate with the spirit who killed 1019 00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:09,170 herself what makes you think that you're 1020 00:44:11,950 --> 00:44:10,730 creating a safe space for her to 1021 00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:11,960 communicate with you you know like stuff 1022 00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:15,170 like that so I try to bring a little bit 1023 00:44:19,510 --> 00:44:16,970 more empathy to the show instead of 1024 00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:19,520 trying to just like what's the word not 1025 00:44:21,590 --> 00:44:20,130 escalate 1026 00:44:24,650 --> 00:44:21,600 just you know trying to make it more 1027 00:44:26,390 --> 00:44:24,660 dramatic than it is because I you know 1028 00:44:28,370 --> 00:44:26,400 we see so much of that already yeah 1029 00:44:30,050 --> 00:44:28,380 that's a good point I mean there are a 1030 00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:30,060 lot of television shows out there that 1031 00:44:34,910 --> 00:44:32,400 go that route and really want to like 1032 00:44:37,250 --> 00:44:34,920 amp it up and at the end of the day I 1033 00:44:39,830 --> 00:44:37,260 tell people look these these things that 1034 00:44:43,370 --> 00:44:39,840 people are experiencing and the fact 1035 00:44:45,020 --> 00:44:43,380 that there might be a tiny fraction of 1036 00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:45,030 evidence that it's real 1037 00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:48,480 that's exciting enough in my opinion but 1038 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:50,730 yeah at the end of the day I tell people 1039 00:44:56,690 --> 00:44:53,010 it's entertainment it's television this 1040 00:44:59,960 --> 00:44:56,700 reaches a huge audience one that I think 1041 00:45:02,210 --> 00:44:59,970 a lot of researchers in their respective 1042 00:45:05,240 --> 00:45:02,220 fields wouldn't be able to reach without 1043 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:05,250 these opportunities so yeah it's tough 1044 00:45:10,070 --> 00:45:07,290 it's always a fine line when it comes to 1045 00:45:11,780 --> 00:45:10,080 entertainment and infotainment I guess 1046 00:45:14,060 --> 00:45:11,790 we could call it yeah trying to educate 1047 00:45:16,670 --> 00:45:14,070 the audience but also entertain them so 1048 00:45:19,820 --> 00:45:16,680 I definitely understand that challenge 1049 00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:19,830 myself and it's not easy so kudos to you 1050 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:21,690 for even attempting to do that on 1051 00:45:27,890 --> 00:45:23,850 television well the next question I have 1052 00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:27,900 for you sapphire is a topic I've I know 1053 00:45:34,310 --> 00:45:30,720 a little about only because I've I've 1054 00:45:36,650 --> 00:45:34,320 used this thing before and I don't I 1055 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:36,660 don't have much experience with it but 1056 00:45:41,900 --> 00:45:38,970 that's the Ouija board and there are a 1057 00:45:44,330 --> 00:45:41,910 lot of misperceptions about the Ouija 1058 00:45:48,860 --> 00:45:44,340 board how it came to be um we really 1059 00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:48,870 don't know the I guess the 100% true 1060 00:45:55,340 --> 00:45:51,570 origin of it but um yeah what are your 1061 00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:55,350 thoughts on on this and yeah is this a 1062 00:46:01,150 --> 00:45:57,690 way to communicate with the dead so I've 1063 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:01,160 got a lot of thoughts on this I 1064 00:46:07,490 --> 00:46:04,410 definitely used to be terrified of Ouija 1065 00:46:10,130 --> 00:46:07,500 boards I was raised to believe that they 1066 00:46:11,300 --> 00:46:10,140 were evil and that if you touch one you 1067 00:46:13,580 --> 00:46:11,310 will become possessed by the devil 1068 00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:13,590 because that's what happens in the 1069 00:46:17,210 --> 00:46:14,570 Exorcist 1070 00:46:20,300 --> 00:46:17,220 and so for a good portion of my life I 1071 00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:20,310 always was super terrified of them it 1072 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:22,650 actually wasn't really until I did an 1073 00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:26,490 episode of my old show where I dove into 1074 00:46:31,850 --> 00:46:29,520 the history of the Ouija board to see if 1075 00:46:33,940 --> 00:46:31,860 it actually was evil if there was a 1076 00:46:36,550 --> 00:46:33,950 reason for me to be afraid of this thing 1077 00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:36,560 because I had never used it until then 1078 00:46:40,750 --> 00:46:39,050 like I there like there was a couple 1079 00:46:42,250 --> 00:46:40,760 times like with friends where we'd like 1080 00:46:44,740 --> 00:46:42,260 around but like we weren't 1081 00:46:47,079 --> 00:46:44,750 seriously doing it but then other people 1082 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:47,089 are it's so strange because I remember 1083 00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:49,970 like I posted a photo of my friend's 1084 00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:51,680 little bootleg Ouija board that spelled 1085 00:46:56,290 --> 00:46:54,170 w e e ji and I was like who we're doing 1086 00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:56,300 something tonight and then I this girl 1087 00:46:59,859 --> 00:46:57,890 that I used to live with she messaged me 1088 00:47:01,750 --> 00:46:59,869 it was like hey I don't I don't want to 1089 00:47:03,730 --> 00:47:01,760 tell you what to do but me and my family 1090 00:47:05,500 --> 00:47:03,740 had this really traumatic experience 1091 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:05,510 with one and I just highly recommend you 1092 00:47:09,099 --> 00:47:07,490 don't use it and I was like I'm very 1093 00:47:11,829 --> 00:47:09,109 sorry about that but do you mind telling 1094 00:47:13,329 --> 00:47:11,839 me what happened like well like what was 1095 00:47:15,819 --> 00:47:13,339 so terrifying she's like no it's too 1096 00:47:17,950 --> 00:47:15,829 personal and to me I'm like if you're 1097 00:47:19,839 --> 00:47:17,960 trying to convince somebody to not use a 1098 00:47:21,339 --> 00:47:19,849 thing I don't know I feel like you could 1099 00:47:23,620 --> 00:47:21,349 give me a little taste because I'm like 1100 00:47:24,970 --> 00:47:23,630 okay like oh we we all floated in the 1101 00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:24,980 air I'm like oh that's cool you know 1102 00:47:30,250 --> 00:47:26,960 like I like is it is it something I'm 1103 00:47:31,270 --> 00:47:30,260 willing to be susceptible to but yeah we 1104 00:47:35,260 --> 00:47:31,280 ended up messing with it it was fine 1105 00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:35,270 anyways so the thing about Ouija boards 1106 00:47:40,599 --> 00:47:38,210 is that a lot of people seem to think 1107 00:47:42,579 --> 00:47:40,609 they're this very ancient invention 1108 00:47:46,780 --> 00:47:42,589 that's been around for centuries it was 1109 00:47:49,870 --> 00:47:46,790 invented in the late 1800s by this like 1110 00:47:53,349 --> 00:47:49,880 camp of spiritualists who lived in Ohio 1111 00:47:54,069 --> 00:47:53,359 and there was this man I forget I forget 1112 00:47:55,839 --> 00:47:54,079 his name 1113 00:48:01,030 --> 00:47:55,849 I believe his last name was bond it was 1114 00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:01,040 like Elijah bond and he was I forget 1115 00:48:04,450 --> 00:48:02,810 like why he went I don't know but he 1116 00:48:06,910 --> 00:48:04,460 went to the spiritualist camp and he saw 1117 00:48:08,020 --> 00:48:06,920 these people using talking boards that's 1118 00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:08,030 what they were called back then it was 1119 00:48:12,099 --> 00:48:10,490 just essentially a board with the 1120 00:48:13,660 --> 00:48:12,109 letters and the numbers and then people 1121 00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:13,670 had a little planchette thing and they 1122 00:48:20,170 --> 00:48:16,730 were sliding it over so that invention 1123 00:48:22,540 --> 00:48:20,180 came about because there was this other 1124 00:48:25,059 --> 00:48:22,550 method of speaking with the spirits that 1125 00:48:27,370 --> 00:48:25,069 was called table-turning before we G 1126 00:48:28,569 --> 00:48:27,380 boards the way that people communicated 1127 00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:28,579 with spirits is that they would 1128 00:48:33,550 --> 00:48:31,210 literally go through the alphabet and 1129 00:48:35,230 --> 00:48:33,560 then if they heard a knock on the table 1130 00:48:36,849 --> 00:48:35,240 that meant that that was the letter so 1131 00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:36,859 they would literally be like is anybody 1132 00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:38,720 like what is your name and they'd be 1133 00:48:47,650 --> 00:48:44,960 like a B oh my god yeah 1134 00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:47,660 because of that that is why we still 1135 00:48:52,570 --> 00:48:49,130 don't know who exactly invented the 1136 00:48:54,010 --> 00:48:52,580 Ouija board but um that is why it came 1137 00:48:57,720 --> 00:48:54,020 about because now it's like oh we can 1138 00:48:59,950 --> 00:48:57,730 just point to the letters so 1139 00:49:02,050 --> 00:48:59,960 spiritualism which is the belief that 1140 00:49:04,510 --> 00:49:02,060 you can communicate with the dead was 1141 00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:04,520 really popular around that time the late 1142 00:49:10,510 --> 00:49:07,609 1800s because that was when the American 1143 00:49:12,670 --> 00:49:10,520 Revolutionary War was and people were 1144 00:49:15,609 --> 00:49:12,680 dying constantly you know from the war 1145 00:49:17,829 --> 00:49:15,619 or children from diseases and because 1146 00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:17,839 there was so much death spiritualism 1147 00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:20,690 provided this way for grieving people to 1148 00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:23,930 have some sort of closure it didn't 1149 00:49:29,050 --> 00:49:26,330 matter if it was real or not it you know 1150 00:49:31,329 --> 00:49:29,060 their closure was real so that's why it 1151 00:49:34,300 --> 00:49:31,339 was as popular as it was at the time and 1152 00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:34,310 so it became a Ouija board when that man 1153 00:49:37,810 --> 00:49:36,410 Elijah bond if I if I'm getting his name 1154 00:49:38,620 --> 00:49:37,820 rhyme do so Matt but I'm pretty sure 1155 00:49:40,900 --> 00:49:38,630 it's a licen Bund 1156 00:49:42,609 --> 00:49:40,910 he saw an opportunity for selling this 1157 00:49:45,220 --> 00:49:42,619 board he was like oh my god people would 1158 00:49:49,240 --> 00:49:45,230 love this so he took it to the Patent 1159 00:49:53,380 --> 00:49:49,250 Office and applied for a patent and the 1160 00:49:55,329 --> 00:49:53,390 story goes that the patent officer asked 1161 00:49:59,190 --> 00:49:55,339 him okay so like what does this board do 1162 00:50:01,870 --> 00:49:59,200 and then they said that it can 1163 00:50:04,300 --> 00:50:01,880 communicate with spirits or I forget 1164 00:50:06,460 --> 00:50:04,310 exactly what they said but the patent 1165 00:50:07,900 --> 00:50:06,470 officer was like well can he you know 1166 00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:07,910 you have to like I'm not gonna give this 1167 00:50:12,099 --> 00:50:09,410 to you until you can prove that it does 1168 00:50:15,339 --> 00:50:12,109 what it says so he was like alright if 1169 00:50:17,349 --> 00:50:15,349 you can use the Ouija board and guess my 1170 00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:17,359 name cuz he hadn't told it to them yet 1171 00:50:22,780 --> 00:50:20,210 then I'll give you the patent and so 1172 00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:22,790 Elijah and his sister and then some 1173 00:50:26,050 --> 00:50:23,810 other guy I forget 1174 00:50:28,660 --> 00:50:26,060 maybe that guy was counter they used the 1175 00:50:31,510 --> 00:50:28,670 Ouija board and then as the legend goes 1176 00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:31,520 it successfully spelled out his name and 1177 00:50:40,690 --> 00:50:37,970 so he was awarded the patent for that I 1178 00:50:43,020 --> 00:50:40,700 know right but I just I love the idea 1179 00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:43,030 that like they had to prove that I were 1180 00:50:50,099 --> 00:50:47,570 a supernatural existing yeah um so 1181 00:50:52,990 --> 00:50:50,109 that's when the Ouija board became a 1182 00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:53,000 Ouija board and that name there's a lot 1183 00:50:58,510 --> 00:50:56,450 of different legends of how the Ouija 1184 00:50:58,720 --> 00:50:58,520 board got its name but one the one that 1185 00:51:01,270 --> 00:50:58,730 I 1186 00:51:03,099 --> 00:51:01,280 subscribe to who is that they ask the 1187 00:51:05,650 --> 00:51:03,109 board itself and it spelled out oh you 1188 00:51:08,890 --> 00:51:05,660 IG aja and that's why it's so 1189 00:51:10,690 --> 00:51:08,900 nonsensical interesting yeah yeah you're 1190 00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:10,700 right you're like seeking ancient 1191 00:51:19,300 --> 00:51:15,170 mystical blah blah and it yeah a chance 1192 00:51:21,580 --> 00:51:19,310 Wow yeah so we G boards blew up they 1193 00:51:24,460 --> 00:51:21,590 were super popular that there's like a 1194 00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:24,470 Norman Rockwell painting it was like in 1195 00:51:30,790 --> 00:51:27,770 I Love Lucy episode and all of these 1196 00:51:33,099 --> 00:51:30,800 depictions it was very it was very 1197 00:51:36,460 --> 00:51:33,109 harmless it's just like a fun little 1198 00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:36,470 game that you can play and I'm also like 1199 00:51:40,420 --> 00:51:38,930 a part of why it was so popular with 1200 00:51:42,099 --> 00:51:40,430 people during that time or like 1201 00:51:44,530 --> 00:51:42,109 teenagers is that like oh it was a 1202 00:51:46,030 --> 00:51:44,540 reason to like put your hands near this 1203 00:51:47,620 --> 00:51:46,040 person that you liked or you know stuff 1204 00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:47,630 like that yeah it was like it like an 1205 00:51:59,020 --> 00:51:51,890 excuse to like get close game of spin 1206 00:52:00,520 --> 00:51:59,030 the bottle yes but yeah so for a very 1207 00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:00,530 long time it was just this fun little 1208 00:52:07,180 --> 00:52:04,130 thing and then it really wasn't until 1209 00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:07,190 the Exorcist came out that really 1210 00:52:11,290 --> 00:52:09,440 sparked this like oh my god this fear of 1211 00:52:14,020 --> 00:52:11,300 the Ouija board and I'm sure you know 1212 00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:14,030 like people have been scared of it 1213 00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:15,890 before for whatever reason but like the 1214 00:52:20,410 --> 00:52:17,690 when the Exorcist came out is when it 1215 00:52:22,660 --> 00:52:20,420 really really really became pervasive in 1216 00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:22,670 our culture because you know like after 1217 00:52:27,220 --> 00:52:25,010 that movie came out the number of 1218 00:52:28,510 --> 00:52:27,230 supposed possessions had gone up right 1219 00:52:30,700 --> 00:52:28,520 like people just thought they were more 1220 00:52:33,180 --> 00:52:30,710 possessed like you put an idea in people 1221 00:52:38,590 --> 00:52:33,190 and then they creates mass Asteria 1222 00:52:41,020 --> 00:52:38,600 chicken-and-egg again yeah right and so 1223 00:52:43,630 --> 00:52:41,030 like once I did more research on it and 1224 00:52:45,490 --> 00:52:43,640 I have also seen a lot of videos where 1225 00:52:47,620 --> 00:52:45,500 they debunk it like one of the most 1226 00:52:49,420 --> 00:52:47,630 common things that moment one of the 1227 00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:49,430 most common ways to debunk the Ouija 1228 00:52:53,050 --> 00:52:51,530 board is you like blindfold the people 1229 00:52:54,310 --> 00:52:53,060 and then you use the thing and then 1230 00:52:57,790 --> 00:52:54,320 obviously you're not spelling out 1231 00:53:00,609 --> 00:52:57,800 anything but there is there was this 1232 00:53:01,599 --> 00:53:00,619 experiment that happened I forget when I 1233 00:53:03,849 --> 00:53:01,609 should probably shoulda know it's like 1234 00:53:07,830 --> 00:53:03,859 the 70s or 80s they did this experiment 1235 00:53:11,890 --> 00:53:07,840 where they had a subject in one room and 1236 00:53:12,550 --> 00:53:11,900 then they had this the researchers on 1237 00:53:14,890 --> 00:53:12,560 the other side of 1238 00:53:17,260 --> 00:53:14,900 this wall and so what they would ask 1239 00:53:19,390 --> 00:53:17,270 them a bunch of random trivia questions 1240 00:53:21,430 --> 00:53:19,400 and then for the second round they 1241 00:53:24,100 --> 00:53:21,440 placed a Ouija board in front of the 1242 00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:24,110 subject and they told the subjects that 1243 00:53:28,690 --> 00:53:25,490 there was somebody on the other side of 1244 00:53:30,790 --> 00:53:28,700 the wall who was also using a Ouija 1245 00:53:32,860 --> 00:53:30,800 board and they would be spelling out the 1246 00:53:36,310 --> 00:53:32,870 answers and so if you use the Ouija 1247 00:53:38,770 --> 00:53:36,320 board you should be able to tap into 1248 00:53:41,530 --> 00:53:38,780 what their spelling and what happened 1249 00:53:43,030 --> 00:53:41,540 was in the first round that they did 1250 00:53:45,010 --> 00:53:43,040 this without the Ouija board in the 1251 00:53:48,130 --> 00:53:45,020 first round the average amount of 1252 00:53:50,590 --> 00:53:48,140 questions that they got right was 50% on 1253 00:53:53,230 --> 00:53:50,600 average when they had the Ouija board in 1254 00:53:55,450 --> 00:53:53,240 front of them the averages shot up not 1255 00:54:00,070 --> 00:53:55,460 that much but the averages went up to 1256 00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:00,080 65% in all of the subjects so something 1257 00:54:06,730 --> 00:54:05,090 was happening we're having this Ouija 1258 00:54:08,830 --> 00:54:06,740 board in front of the people and 1259 00:54:13,870 --> 00:54:08,840 thinking that they were connected with 1260 00:54:15,910 --> 00:54:13,880 somebody somehow made them no answers 1261 00:54:18,070 --> 00:54:15,920 that they may not have known and so the 1262 00:54:19,510 --> 00:54:18,080 the thinking behind that oh by though 1263 00:54:20,710 --> 00:54:19,520 there was nobody on the other side they 1264 00:54:23,380 --> 00:54:20,720 just wanted to see what the effect of 1265 00:54:25,870 --> 00:54:23,390 the Ouija board was and so the way that 1266 00:54:28,630 --> 00:54:25,880 they think that was working was that 1267 00:54:30,910 --> 00:54:28,640 when you have this external device so 1268 00:54:32,410 --> 00:54:30,920 the Ouija board and you're thinking that 1269 00:54:34,810 --> 00:54:32,420 you're connecting with something outside 1270 00:54:36,940 --> 00:54:34,820 of yourself it's helping you tap into a 1271 00:54:39,940 --> 00:54:36,950 part of your consciousness that you may 1272 00:54:42,790 --> 00:54:39,950 not even know that you had so for 1273 00:54:44,590 --> 00:54:42,800 example you know if you had asked me 1274 00:54:46,930 --> 00:54:44,600 some random capital of some random 1275 00:54:49,540 --> 00:54:46,940 country maybe I 1276 00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:49,550 I don't actively think I know that but 1277 00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:50,810 if I use the Ouija board 1278 00:54:56,110 --> 00:54:54,410 I might start getting I'd like words in 1279 00:54:57,700 --> 00:54:56,120 my head like maybe at one point I did 1280 00:54:59,650 --> 00:54:57,710 know the answer and it was just buried 1281 00:55:02,260 --> 00:54:59,660 deep in my brain and then using the 1282 00:55:04,330 --> 00:55:02,270 Ouija board sort of UNTAC light sort of 1283 00:55:06,310 --> 00:55:04,340 accesses that information if that makes 1284 00:55:09,070 --> 00:55:06,320 any sense that's interesting it's almost 1285 00:55:11,770 --> 00:55:09,080 like you know you're using this concept 1286 00:55:16,180 --> 00:55:11,780 of there could be a supernatural or 1287 00:55:18,460 --> 00:55:16,190 paranormal slant to to this and it 1288 00:55:20,430 --> 00:55:18,470 almost boosts your confidence in knowing 1289 00:55:23,670 --> 00:55:20,440 the answer is something 1290 00:55:27,030 --> 00:55:23,680 yeah so if you are using a Ouija board 1291 00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:27,040 to communicate with someone so the thing 1292 00:55:33,690 --> 00:55:28,570 is it's not the board itself it's the 1293 00:55:37,710 --> 00:55:33,700 people so if you have a couple people 1294 00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:37,720 who are all very open and very intent on 1295 00:55:41,940 --> 00:55:40,090 being open to communicating with whoever 1296 00:55:43,410 --> 00:55:41,950 it is that you're communicating with you 1297 00:55:46,260 --> 00:55:43,420 know that effect is going to happen to 1298 00:55:50,820 --> 00:55:46,270 all of them where you're gonna be more 1299 00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:50,830 likely to all you know spell out 1300 00:55:55,650 --> 00:55:53,170 something that makes sense because 1301 00:55:57,330 --> 00:55:55,660 you're all tapping into your each other 1302 00:55:59,550 --> 00:55:57,340 I don't that makes any sense 1303 00:56:03,240 --> 00:55:59,560 yeah yeah I mean I could see the same 1304 00:56:05,460 --> 00:56:03,250 thing happening like a ghost hunter 1305 00:56:09,050 --> 00:56:05,470 investigation everyone in that room is 1306 00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:09,060 like ready and open and willing to 1307 00:56:14,070 --> 00:56:12,130 communicate with a spirit you know that 1308 00:56:15,450 --> 00:56:14,080 that will ultimately influence your 1309 00:56:17,850 --> 00:56:15,460 perception of everything going on around 1310 00:56:21,530 --> 00:56:17,860 you I would assume yeah absolutely 1311 00:56:25,860 --> 00:56:21,540 well you did mention the idea of of 1312 00:56:28,830 --> 00:56:25,870 consciousness and this kind of dovetails 1313 00:56:31,980 --> 00:56:28,840 into another interest that you have in 1314 00:56:33,810 --> 00:56:31,990 terms of reality there seems to be a lot 1315 00:56:37,050 --> 00:56:33,820 of studies going on right now in terms 1316 00:56:38,700 --> 00:56:37,060 of what is reality is it actually a 1317 00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:38,710 thing are each of our realities 1318 00:56:46,470 --> 00:56:41,170 different separate and this brings us to 1319 00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:46,480 the simulation theory this goes way over 1320 00:56:50,820 --> 00:56:49,090 my head so it like I I don't even know 1321 00:56:53,250 --> 00:56:50,830 where to begin with this I'm sure it 1322 00:56:55,890 --> 00:56:53,260 does a lot of people but what drew you 1323 00:56:57,930 --> 00:56:55,900 to this these sort of bigger questions 1324 00:57:00,090 --> 00:56:57,940 in the world other than is there an 1325 00:57:02,610 --> 00:57:00,100 afterlife are there spirits does the 1326 00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:02,620 paranormal exist what are we where are 1327 00:57:09,030 --> 00:57:06,610 we when how why where do you stand in 1328 00:57:11,730 --> 00:57:09,040 terms of this idea of the simulation 1329 00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:11,740 theory so I I would like to make a 1330 00:57:15,390 --> 00:57:13,810 disclaimer I am NOT an expert so I am 1331 00:57:16,860 --> 00:57:15,400 probably gonna say something very 1332 00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:16,870 incorrect so please don't come after me 1333 00:57:22,530 --> 00:57:21,010 um but I I mean I I am obsessed with 1334 00:57:23,790 --> 00:57:22,540 learning about different ways of 1335 00:57:25,410 --> 00:57:23,800 thinking about the world I mean that's 1336 00:57:27,300 --> 00:57:25,420 why I love the paranormal because it 1337 00:57:30,030 --> 00:57:27,310 sort of goes against everything that 1338 00:57:32,940 --> 00:57:30,040 we're taught in school you know so 1339 00:57:33,900 --> 00:57:32,950 essentially the idea is that our world 1340 00:57:36,779 --> 00:57:33,910 is merely 1341 00:57:38,190 --> 00:57:36,789 simulation so you know this laptop in 1342 00:57:42,260 --> 00:57:38,200 front of me is not actually in front of 1343 00:57:44,430 --> 00:57:42,270 me it is just a simulation of a laptop 1344 00:57:47,370 --> 00:57:44,440 essentially like them it's literally the 1345 00:57:49,170 --> 00:57:47,380 matrix right really you you don't 1346 00:57:52,140 --> 00:57:49,180 realize you're in the matrix until you 1347 00:57:55,470 --> 00:57:52,150 leave the matrix so that's like one type 1348 00:57:58,260 --> 00:57:55,480 of simulation theory and there is 1349 00:58:01,380 --> 00:57:58,270 actually some cultures that believe that 1350 00:58:03,750 --> 00:58:01,390 the world were in right now is our dream 1351 00:58:07,950 --> 00:58:03,760 state and then when we die that's when 1352 00:58:09,890 --> 00:58:07,960 we awaken so this is not that I think 1353 00:58:12,630 --> 00:58:09,900 it's like the Aborigines in Australia 1354 00:58:17,279 --> 00:58:12,640 that believe that I forget the name of 1355 00:58:19,230 --> 00:58:17,289 them but yeah so like that idea has been 1356 00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:19,240 around for a very long time 1357 00:58:26,490 --> 00:58:21,490 the idea that what we are right now is 1358 00:58:28,950 --> 00:58:26,500 not is not the end is not real yeah I 1359 00:58:30,210 --> 00:58:28,960 mean it's I don't know it's just I said 1360 00:58:32,730 --> 00:58:30,220 to me I'm like how can you not think 1361 00:58:34,500 --> 00:58:32,740 about this how can you like just be 1362 00:58:37,109 --> 00:58:34,510 like yeah cool I'm on board with 1363 00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:37,119 everything that I've learned at school 1364 00:58:42,029 --> 00:58:39,730 and I'm done trying to learn more about 1365 00:58:44,490 --> 00:58:42,039 the universe like I you know like even 1366 00:58:46,890 --> 00:58:44,500 if these theories are proven wrong 1367 00:58:48,660 --> 00:58:46,900 they're just fun to think about when 1368 00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:48,670 especially when you have kind of like 1369 00:58:54,299 --> 00:58:51,130 the leading thinkers in the scientific 1370 00:58:56,910 --> 00:58:54,309 world and you know psychology physics 1371 00:58:58,410 --> 00:58:56,920 everything now saying that this is a 1372 00:59:02,490 --> 00:58:58,420 possibility and not only a possibility 1373 00:59:05,250 --> 00:59:02,500 but they they're coming closer to maybe 1374 00:59:07,140 --> 00:59:05,260 figuring out if that is true it's it's 1375 00:59:09,029 --> 00:59:07,150 scary in one way I think a part of me 1376 00:59:09,990 --> 00:59:09,039 wants to take that blue pill and never 1377 00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:10,000 think about it again 1378 00:59:15,359 --> 00:59:12,970 but then write that red pill always you 1379 00:59:17,910 --> 00:59:15,369 know is very enticing as well if we're 1380 00:59:21,990 --> 00:59:17,920 talking like matrix style so yeah yeah 1381 00:59:25,230 --> 00:59:22,000 it's a fascinating topic oh for sure 1382 00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:25,240 and I there's this one theory that my 1383 00:59:30,089 --> 00:59:27,970 friends sort of made up when he went to 1384 00:59:32,849 --> 00:59:30,099 the void do you know what the void is it 1385 00:59:34,829 --> 00:59:32,859 sort of like a VR experience I've heard 1386 00:59:38,519 --> 00:59:34,839 of it yeah that's a Los Angeles right 1387 00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:38,529 yeah so he has this theory and he came 1388 00:59:42,599 --> 00:59:40,089 up with it because he went to the void 1389 00:59:45,390 --> 00:59:42,609 so if you don't know what the void is 1390 00:59:47,730 --> 00:59:45,400 it's this experience where you wear a VR 1391 00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:47,740 headset and that 1392 00:59:52,980 --> 00:59:50,890 technology is advanced enough that you 1393 00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:52,990 don't also need to wear gloves it can 1394 00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:54,610 tell like where your body is and where 1395 00:59:59,880 --> 00:59:57,250 your hands are so there is a physical 1396 01:00:02,400 --> 00:59:59,890 space that you walk into but it's just 1397 01:00:04,020 --> 01:00:02,410 walls it's sort of like a maze where 1398 01:00:06,380 --> 01:00:04,030 there's like a visit like just like flat 1399 01:00:09,780 --> 01:00:06,390 surfaces all around but in the in the 1400 01:00:12,540 --> 01:00:09,790 goggles you see you know projected 1401 01:00:15,870 --> 01:00:12,550 images of like let's say one of the 1402 01:00:17,310 --> 01:00:15,880 themes is Star Wars so you know when you 1403 01:00:19,260 --> 01:00:17,320 look at yourself you are in a star 1404 01:00:20,850 --> 01:00:19,270 trooper and when you reach out and touch 1405 01:00:22,710 --> 01:00:20,860 that wall that you see in your VR 1406 01:00:26,100 --> 01:00:22,720 goggles you actually feel a wall you 1407 01:00:27,990 --> 01:00:26,110 feel something so it's it's VR but like 1408 01:00:31,170 --> 01:00:28,000 to the extreme and it's really fun it's 1409 01:00:32,970 --> 01:00:31,180 really cool so when he went to this he 1410 01:00:35,220 --> 01:00:32,980 was having a lot of fun and then like in 1411 01:00:38,250 --> 01:00:35,230 the middle of it he had this thought of 1412 01:00:40,170 --> 01:00:38,260 I just won I wonder what I wonder what 1413 01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:40,180 it looks like without the cockles so he 1414 01:00:45,630 --> 01:00:42,610 pulls up his goggles and then he sees 1415 01:00:47,250 --> 01:00:45,640 these two security guys in the corner 1416 01:00:48,780 --> 01:00:47,260 and they look at him and then they just 1417 01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:48,790 shake their head slowly and then he 1418 01:00:55,580 --> 01:00:52,570 slowly puts his kögel's back but so what 1419 01:00:59,820 --> 01:00:55,590 after that happened he has this theory 1420 01:01:02,880 --> 01:00:59,830 he calls it the void theory that that is 1421 01:01:06,900 --> 01:01:02,890 symbolic of what our reality is so our 1422 01:01:10,020 --> 01:01:06,910 VR goggles are our eyes you know what we 1423 01:01:12,450 --> 01:01:10,030 and like our body determines what our 1424 01:01:14,550 --> 01:01:12,460 reality is because that determines how 1425 01:01:17,849 --> 01:01:14,560 we interpret the world right like when 1426 01:01:19,859 --> 01:01:17,859 you have if you have neurological 1427 01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:19,869 disorders or any sort of like wirings 1428 01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:22,330 that are crossed you know you're gonna 1429 01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:23,410 experience the world a little bit 1430 01:01:26,849 --> 01:01:25,570 differently so your VR goggles are how 1431 01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:26,859 you see the world right and then 1432 01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:28,330 everything feels real because you reach 1433 01:01:33,599 --> 01:01:30,730 out and there's an actual wall there but 1434 01:01:35,849 --> 01:01:33,609 if you figure out a way to remove your 1435 01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:35,859 goggles you see what everything really 1436 01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:40,090 is and it's just a room with two men 1437 01:01:46,770 --> 01:01:43,690 shaking that's all it is 1438 01:01:49,230 --> 01:01:46,780 that's a little depressing but that's 1439 01:01:53,130 --> 01:01:49,240 that's a really good point I mean is 1440 01:01:55,349 --> 01:01:53,140 there some architect at work doing all 1441 01:01:58,109 --> 01:01:55,359 this I've never thought of that like is 1442 01:02:01,250 --> 01:01:58,119 our perception or our consciousness I 1443 01:02:03,650 --> 01:02:01,260 guess in a way our VR goggles 1444 01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:03,660 and if there was some way to separate 1445 01:02:09,260 --> 01:02:06,450 from the goggles and look even for a 1446 01:02:11,510 --> 01:02:09,270 moment at the men shaking their heads or 1447 01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:11,520 whatever is really out there is it 1448 01:02:18,410 --> 01:02:13,290 possible that that's really interesting 1449 01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:18,420 kudos dear friend I love it so much I 1450 01:02:21,350 --> 01:02:19,530 use it all the time 1451 01:02:23,210 --> 01:02:21,360 and also like I could explain you know 1452 01:02:25,340 --> 01:02:23,220 like if you use the void theory like 1453 01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:25,350 what ghosts are feeling things right so 1454 01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:28,170 if if you're first thinking about the 1455 01:02:32,090 --> 01:02:30,330 void like let's say somebody else is in 1456 01:02:33,500 --> 01:02:32,100 that room with you you don't see them 1457 01:02:34,850 --> 01:02:33,510 through the VR goggles but if they 1458 01:02:38,450 --> 01:02:34,860 reached out and touch you you would feel 1459 01:02:41,300 --> 01:02:38,460 that yeah kind of like that right it's 1460 01:02:43,130 --> 01:02:41,310 so fascinating oh man we I know we only 1461 01:02:45,290 --> 01:02:43,140 scratched the surface of that but 1462 01:02:47,270 --> 01:02:45,300 there's something I guess sort of 1463 01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:47,280 related to this sapphire and that's the 1464 01:02:51,500 --> 01:02:48,690 idea of string theory you know 1465 01:02:53,660 --> 01:02:51,510 everything's somehow connected and I 1466 01:02:56,450 --> 01:02:53,670 don't know if it's the same in the sort 1467 01:02:59,840 --> 01:02:56,460 of paranormal world but you're in UFO 1468 01:03:01,490 --> 01:02:59,850 land we're starting to ask these these 1469 01:03:03,770 --> 01:03:01,500 bigger questions of could this all be 1470 01:03:05,390 --> 01:03:03,780 connected you know is Bigfoot you know 1471 01:03:07,130 --> 01:03:05,400 coming in on a UFO and he's 1472 01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:07,140 interdimensional or he's an apparition 1473 01:03:11,450 --> 01:03:09,330 like what's God why have we never found 1474 01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:11,460 a Bigfoot body or this or that why do 1475 01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:12,930 you oppose blink in and out of existence 1476 01:03:18,140 --> 01:03:15,570 um so I want to ask you your personal 1477 01:03:20,510 --> 01:03:18,150 thoughts as a person who is steeped in 1478 01:03:22,130 --> 01:03:20,520 the paranormal and anything do you think 1479 01:03:24,740 --> 01:03:22,140 there's a connection that can be made 1480 01:03:27,050 --> 01:03:24,750 between all these different weird things 1481 01:03:30,350 --> 01:03:27,060 we all seem to have in common or not in 1482 01:03:33,020 --> 01:03:30,360 common you know I I don't know a whole 1483 01:03:35,450 --> 01:03:33,030 lot about cryptids and UFOs and aliens 1484 01:03:37,790 --> 01:03:35,460 like most of what I know is like ghosts 1485 01:03:40,580 --> 01:03:37,800 and spirits and stuff I always I always 1486 01:03:42,170 --> 01:03:40,590 categorized them as separate things but 1487 01:03:44,180 --> 01:03:42,180 it wasn't till recently that I started 1488 01:03:45,910 --> 01:03:44,190 talking to people who are you know 1489 01:03:50,270 --> 01:03:45,920 making connections with all that stuff 1490 01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:50,280 so I honestly don't really I don't 1491 01:03:54,860 --> 01:03:52,170 really know I I don't think I've thought 1492 01:03:57,290 --> 01:03:54,870 about it enough I I think the answer I 1493 01:03:59,840 --> 01:03:57,300 don't know is honestly the best answer 1494 01:04:01,640 --> 01:03:59,850 anyone could give because I I tell 1495 01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:01,650 people if somebody tells you they know 1496 01:04:05,660 --> 01:04:03,330 exactly what's going on with all these 1497 01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:05,670 things that's when I run for the hills 1498 01:04:10,250 --> 01:04:07,890 because I don't think any of us truly 1499 01:04:12,550 --> 01:04:10,260 know what's going on in any of these 1500 01:04:15,780 --> 01:04:12,560 weird things and 1501 01:04:18,210 --> 01:04:15,790 yeah yeah I'm happy to hear you say that 1502 01:04:21,310 --> 01:04:18,220 sapphire this has been a fascinating 1503 01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:21,320 conversation for me and a world I know 1504 01:04:25,690 --> 01:04:22,610 little about 1505 01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:25,700 so I mean before we go I would love to 1506 01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:28,370 hear where can we find everything you're 1507 01:04:34,150 --> 01:04:31,490 up to stories for sapphire I know you do 1508 01:04:37,210 --> 01:04:34,160 a lot of art work in animation and 1509 01:04:39,070 --> 01:04:37,220 illustration as well so yeah give us 1510 01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:39,080 give us what you got in terms of where 1511 01:04:45,130 --> 01:04:41,090 we can find everything you're up to you 1512 01:04:47,170 --> 01:04:45,140 are a busy person sir so stories with 1513 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